Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/20/2010

I am not saying this is the case, but why has no one ever just talked about it possibly being the engine instead then. Also the engine can be switched to make it come out differently if they really wanted it to, RNG or TRNG it would not matter.

Quote: Originally posted by hbmerlin on 1/20/2010But hey, of course he knows what he is talking about, he argued for pages and pages of another thread about how anything that has only two possible outcomes CLEARLY has a 50% probability of occuring.

Quote: Originally posted by jetwildcat on 1/20/2010i just dont think colonels is very smart

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/21/2010Dear Colonels, won't you shut up and play
Dear Colonels, shut the hell up today
The sun is up, the sky is blue
The games have simmed, please get a clue
Dear Colonels, won't you shut up and play

Dear Colonels, open up your eyes
Dear Colonels, you make Baby Jesus cry
You can't admit when you are wrong
Your twisted logic does not belong
Dear Colonels, won't you open up your eyes?

Look around round round
Look around round round
Oh look around

Dear Colonels, give it a rest
Dear Colonels, we really detest
Your oh so smug, dismissive tone
Your posts just make everyone groan
Dear Colonels, won't you give it a rest?

Dear Colonels, won't you shut up and play
Dear Colonels, shut the hell up today
The sun is up, the sky is blue
The games have simmed, and eff you too
Dear Colonels, won't you shut up and pla

Quote: Originally posted by fd343ny on 1/21/2010if WIS announced that they had adopted whatever rng it is that the colonel likes, could he, could we, could anyone possibly tell whether they were telling the truth?  if not, ???  epistemologically speaking the concern about the rng begins to seem hollow

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 1/20/2010
I'm not sure there are too many "crazy" results. What catches my eye is the results that are so off-the-charts crazy, you wonder whether they should happen at all.

For instance, anton pointed out the other day that one of the events that spurred him to quit was when his loaded UT squad shot 13% in a NT loss.

Now, I don't have a problem with his loaded UT squad getting upset, where oftentimes colonels might. This suggestion that I get up in arms about upsets is ridiculous...its things like these when that good of a team shoots 13% like you're saying here. We agree here, I was outraged by the bizarreness of the outcome. But should they ever shoot 13%? Has there ever been a NT game where a team has shot 13%? How about where the favorite shot 13%? I'm guessing not.

And that's just one example that pops into mind (and I know there are tons of games simmed, yada yada). I'm definitely not sure, but my gut is that there are results that simply should not happen.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 1/20/2010you're eyeballing results of an HD game and saying they are wrong. And since they're wrong the RNG sucks.

now you start spouting off about differences in RNG. the differences from one to the next are miniscule. How do you not get that? you're making it out like WIS is using a RNG put together by a 3rd grader for a science project....

let me explain how stupid you sound. say you are arguing about the circumference of a circle. One person calculated pi to 99 decimal spots. The other to 100 decimal spots. YEA, the second person IS MORE ACCURATE. does ANYONE notice the difference? NO (other than a supercomputer) Well the supercomputer runs the game per se, so if there are little blips like this here and there often enough, it could very well lead to some of the bizarreness that happens.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/20/2010I love how since it isn't TRNG that he somehow views it as completely broke... Even though it is basically the exact same thing. He'd accept anything and everything that WIS offers if it was TRNG... When, basically, that is what is going on. If that's what was going on, I wouldn't be posting.

Quote: Originally Posted By hbmerlin on 1/20/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/20/2010

I am not saying this is the case, but why has no one ever just talked about it possibly being the engine instead then. Also the engine can be switched to make it come out differently if they really wanted it to, RNG or TRNG it would not matter.

All reasonable people have talked about it being the engine. Only colonels is rambling on about how it MUST be the RNG, not what the engine does with the numbers. I've said many times over that its either the RNG or the implemenation of the randomness, and it doesn't matter which, it needs work. For a great bulk of the time I've been on this website I've argued that these gamees are too complex for their own good and what WIS doesn't realize is that more complexity doesn't necessarily mean better. Hate to keep bringing it up, but look at the NBA sim....seble said its one of the most sophisticated sims on WIS, but a lot of people can't stand the changes and the NBA sim is probably the 2nd lowest grossing sim on this website. Complexity got them really far there, huh.

But hey, of course he knows what he is talking about, he argued for pages and pages of another thread about how anything that has only two possible outcomes CLEARLY has a 50% probability of occuring. Then finally admitting that he was mistaken (after arguing for multiple pages). We must trust his superior knowledge of probability and randomness.