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1/27/2010 12:57 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by metsmax on 1/27/2010what was it that he did - was this the strategy where he had two guys who rotated sort of randomly taking the great bulk of the shots?why was that helpful - aside from avoiding a DT?  didnt shooting percentage suffer with very high distros?

to the last bit - no, not really. he would put up over 1000 3s in a season between his starting and backup sg, and could post like 42% 3s on the season or something like that. maybe even better. it was completely insane.
1/27/2010 12:58 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 1/27/2010How would that avoid the double team? Couldn't you just DT those two guys?


it didn't. both were at the SG position so 1 was only ever on the floor at the same time. and he didn't switch up who took all the shots or anything like that. i played press so sadly, couldn't try the double team against him. a couple coaches did well against him regularly and i don't think they were double teaming all the time. even running a +5 he would light you up from down town with ridiculous probability... he always had lightning fast teams, too.
1/27/2010 1:02 PM
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I'm pretty confident that he won in spite of his strategy not because of it. His teams were always incredibly talented. My teams always matched up well against him because I ran press/zone so I could play a +4 D and double team both shooters and would routinely hold him to 40% and under shooting but would still lose. Year in and year out he had the most athletic/fastest D3 team so he would force a ton of turnovers and would generally win the rebounding battle.
1/27/2010 1:13 PM
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so you are saying his real strategy was to be fast, athletic, shoot well and get rebounds?
1/27/2010 1:19 PM
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His heydey was pre potential and he would have D3 teams that would have 60+ ath/sp averages along with mid 40s rebounding. Those #s would be good for a D2 team and he had it at D3.
1/27/2010 1:30 PM
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The other thing to his strategy that I think helped him, sort of on the same line as kmasonbx, was that he recruited very good rebounders. If I remember right, you looked at his teams and he would have a fast SG with good perimeter who was almost always a pulldown. But then every other player, sometimes even PGs, had really good rebounding. So, you have the Flex offense which, depending on who you talk to, succeeds without a low post presence (I'm definitely not at all sure about that statement). Then you have fast and athletic players for the press. Then you have one guy jacking up threes and the rest of the guys just crashing the boards and either getting putbacks or kicking it right back out for a wide-open shot. I mean he may not have planned it this way but it kinda all fell into place for a decent system to go with the great talent that he had.
1/27/2010 2:09 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 1/27/2010His heydey was pre potential and he would have D3 teams that would have 60+ ath/sp averages along with mid 40s rebounding. Those #s would be good for a D2 team and he had it at D3.

He was much better after potential, I just went back and looked. Also he definitely didnt win in spite of his strategy, he really didnt have the success he had until he went to that strategy (I was also in the IIAC with him for a while and I the season that potential began or close to it and he didnt do that back then)
1/27/2010 3:23 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by metsmax on 1/27/2010so you are saying his real strategy was to be fast, athletic, shoot well and get rebounds?
ha, don't see how that ever worked here or would work in RL ;)
1/27/2010 3:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tmacfan12 on 1/27/2010
Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 1/27/2010 His heydey was pre potential and he would have D3 teams that would have 60+ ath/sp averages along with mid 40s rebounding. Those #s would be good for a D2 team and he had it at D3.

He was much better after potential, I just went back and looked. Also he definitely didnt win in spite of his strategy, he really didnt have the success he had until he went to that strategy (I was also in the IIAC with him for a while and I the season that potential began or close to it and he didnt do that back then


The last class of pre potential players to graduate in Tark was season 31 (minus redshirts) and that final pre potential class he recruited went to the title game 3 times in 4 seasons and won in their junior and senior seasons. He's actually somebody who had success both pre and post potential.

I will argue the reason he didn't have as much success until later on isn't because of the strategy but he just got better at recruiting and thus had better players when he implemented that strategy. It may have had a lot of success back then because the coaches who could match him in recruiting ran press and with the inability to double particular players it allowed those players to dominate. I guess I'm kind've contradicting myself and saying it is his strategy that helped him but mainly because of the limitations of the defense that a lot of the top programs ran, and then he beat M2M and zone teams because he just had more talent than them and would've beaten them by more if he had a more balanced attack.
1/27/2010 4:44 PM
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I've ran bing ball on occasion this year with tremendous success. It does work.
1/28/2010 8:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 1/27/2010
Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 1/27/2010 How would that avoid the double team? Couldn't you just DT those two guys?


it didn't. both were at the SG position so 1 was only ever on the floor at the same time. and he didn't switch up who took all the shots or anything like that. i played press so sadly, couldn't try the double team against him. a couple coaches did well against him regularly and i don't think they were double teaming all the time. even running a +5 he would light you up from down town with ridiculous probability... he always had lightning fast teams, too
I had sitemailed about this with him at one time, and since he isn't here anymore, I doubt he will care that I share it.

Anyway, he said that he felt his guys played even better against extreme + settings and DT's. That was just his observation. I was preparing to play a Bing-like team in the NT one year and he told me to go the other way with my prep - go to a - setting and no DT's. I won the game, I think, so who knows.
1/28/2010 8:30 AM
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