Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 2/04/2010

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 2/04/2010
Do you understand what the defensive rating even means? It isn't how good the player plays defense, it is the players willingness to play D.

To even begin to say that that should be the only thing taken into account for how good a player plays D is insane. A players physical abilities are much much more important. If you don't have the tools to stay with your man it really doesn't matter how much you want to guard him, you just can't.

If you use the defensive rating to tell you exactly how good a defender a player is you are not anywhere near being close to how good he is / can be.

1.) I gotta say I never said its the only thing that should be taken into account. 60 Spd and 60 Ath and 99 Def should be better at defense than 99 Spd and 60 Ath and 20 Def, how does speed when according to you "doesn't want to make him play defense" mean he can guard anyone than? You just said he doesn't want to play defense. Completely disagree. Why in the world you think a guy that has 60 speed can guard someone with 99 speed is beyond me. He would have a very realy chance of getting burned any possession.

2.) I am saying a 20 DEF should never stay with basically anyone, no matter his physical talents, not a 60 vs 90 but 20 DEF here. Some of the NBA Super Stars absolutely suck on Defense, how could you ever rate these in HD? They just sit there and watch people run by the them, they know what they should do they just don't do it. This fall into their want to play Def. Welcome to college basketball, we aren't playing NBA Dynasty.

3.) I gotta say I never have played a game with such weird ratings as HD. In this game DEF means nothing, how does this make sense? Basically your saying if the guy is fast and ath he could have 1 def and shut down his man? DEF does not mean nothing. If you believe it means nothing then you don't understand the rating.

I read the what defense means from WIS:
Defense (def): like rebounding, defense refers to a player's defensive fundamentals and their desire to play defense. Again, knowledge of the fundamentals and having the desire are great, but you also need the athleticism and speed to be a great defender. You can have all the fundamentals in the world you want, if you don't have the talent to use them they are worthless.

So in other words he doesn't have the desire and he doesn't have the fundamentals either. Which part of that wouldn't make him a good defender? I know the guys fast, but if he doesn't want to use it, and he doesn't know how to guard a guy he's doomed to be a bad defender....

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 2/04/2010Yes I do know its one game. Mostly the game was just me blowing off steam after losing by a basket or two really. I over-reacted and the output is something that could happen.

Zhawks there are multiple people here one that is going to have Back2Back NTs that just said Def means nothing. Also, I brought up the NBA as it easier to see there the players taking a play off.

UDM_Mike brought up the point though it happens in College Basketball as well.

Also, I will refer you to Wisconsin again. They are probably one of the slowest if not the slowest rated D1 team but they can shut about anyone down. There are games where a guy might go off, but usually they shut them down. This would be in reference to a 60/70 speed guy with 90+ DEF shutting down a 90+ SPD guy.

Also, I am not saying they won't get burned once and a while as they will. Over the course of a game though they still do shut them down

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 2/04/2010defense does matter. just not as much as other categories. so its usually the first thing to get sacrificed

Quote: Originally posted by cburton23 on 2/04/2010I look at defense as a multiplier.  Speed and ath. are a must to play defense, then the defensive rating is calculated in based off those numbers.