Quote: Originally Posted By jwelsh1023 on 2/18/2010I had just set him up for the season at Inning Avail 8, TPC 20, MPC 30, pull 1. My guess is last season he was the same but Inning Avail was 9

I'd have him as a SetUp A, make him available in the 7th, and maybe up his TPC to 30, MPC 35. I don't often like pull 1 for RPs, but that's me.

You'll still likely be able to use him in more than half your games, but for 2-3 innings at a time rather than as a 1-inning wonder to rack up saves.

I'd say he is best used as a SuA guy. He can enter the game in the 7th and have his PC at about 30-35. Two innings every other game is about what you will get and sometimes he will go 3 innings. This is a fireman of the year kind of talent you're using for only 45-50 IP per season. Get him more innings and watch him put up great numbers.

Quote: Originally Posted By timf on 2/18/2010I'd say he is best used as a SuA guy. He can enter the game in the 7th and have his PC at about 30-35. Two innings every other game is about what you will get and sometimes he will go 3 innings. This is a fireman of the year kind of talent you're using for only 45-50 IP per season. Get him more innings and watch him put up great numbers

If you go with him as SuA, consider not having a designated closer. He'll probably close by default. You wouldn't want to see him get pulled in favor of a lesser pitcher in a closing situation. Have him available in the 7th, try PC 30/35 but up it to 35/40 or even 40/45 if he can handle it.

You can probably get 75-80 appearances, 100+ IP's of quality work out of him that way.

I don't understand why you wouldn't want him giving you 28-30 quality starts of 5+ innings.

yeah, i'd hope you'd at least start him in the playoffs. unless you were playing me, of course.

I wholly admit to my underuse of his talents, that is not in question.

I know you know. I just don't understand why seemingly everyone else is saying "SUA, 30 pitches!!!"

It depends on what the makeup of the rest of his staff is.

If he has a bullpen that can reliably give him 3-4 quality innings to follow this guys 5+ IP per start, then start him. But having to get that many innings out of your pen could weaken him for the next game or two, depending on how much they were used before he pitched.

If he has more confidence in five other starters who can be solid into the 7th inning, then putting him as SuA (or ClA) means that his IP will be coming at more meaningful times during the game, and more frequently (75-80 appearances vs. 25-28 appearances).

In other words: assuming you can get 150 IP out of him, which would you prefer?

30 * 5
or
75 * 2

30x5

In MLB, you know, exactly, how you're utilizing your RP. In HBD, you're hoping that SIMMY uses him the way you want. In HBD, you know the situation, exactly, that your SP is entering the game.

To me, this guy is wasted if he enters the game, 2 runs down, in the 8th.

so don't set him as a SuB

If you set him to 7th inning, as the only SuA, he'd enter any game with a lead (1-3 runs) after the 7th. If your SP and hitting were good enough, he'd rack up 125+ IP with 10 wins and 30 saves.

Setup A/B - Setup relief pitchers are the first to come in when a pitcher is removed late (generally during the 7th or later) in a game that is still in doubt. These are usually relief pitchers who are only capable of pitching an inning of relief at maximum effectiveness. Their appearances are usually higher than any other pitching role, while they may not pitch as many total innings as starters or long relief pitchers. Unless settings in the Edit Players Settings page dictate otherwise, the setup A pitcher will be given first priority to enter a game when this situation arises and the score is still close.



So down by 2 is no longer considered "close" or "in doubt"?

I have a similar player I traded for. Stamina is only 50. Averages about 75 pitches per start. 11 starts down the stretch. In 6, he allowed 0 runs, only one of which he lasted less than 5 IP due to pitch count. (He'd never started before).

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=927583

I do occasionally push him back a day, but it's more than worth it. Your guy looks better.

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 2/18/2010<SPAN A/B</SPAN> - Setup relief pitchers are the first to come in when a pitcher is removed late (generally during the 7th or later) in a game that is still in doubt. These are usually relief pitchers who are only capable of pitching an inning of relief at maximum effectiveness. Their appearances are usually higher than any other pitching role, while they may not pitch as many total innings as starters or long relief pitchers. Unless settings in the Edit Players Settings page dictate otherwise, the setup A pitcher will be given first priority to enter a game when this situation arises and the score is still close.  So down by 2 is no longer considered "close" or "in doubt"?

the better question is why don't you want him coming in the game down 2 in the 8th?...are your teams incapable of scoring 2 runs or more in an inning?...in fact you acknowledge that the game is still in doubt, however, you also seem to imply that you'd rather not have your best pitcher in the game, what gives?

I would assume that their best relief pitcher is also in the game attempting to prevent me from scoring 2 runs. If my best guy is capable of pitching 150 innings, I'd prefer he gives me 30 starts that begin with a tie score. I sort of answered this with this post:

"In MLB, you know, exactly, how you're utilizing your RP. In HBD, you're hoping that SIMMY uses him the way you want. In HBD, you know the situation, exactly, that your SP is entering the game."

I feel he gives me my best chance to win by throwing 5 good innings to start the game than 2 innings when I'm down a couple of runs.