Reggie Durham

Successful player with splits and contact in the 40's.

Homer Sandberg

Splits of 42/52 his entire career. Has a lifetime average of .282. Not amazing but definitely respectable. So to reiterate my original post, absolutely you can have success with a guy like that.

I often have one of the best offenses in the league due to speed and contact players. If you can get the high vs L R - great. If not the guys with high eye/contact/speed can have less effectivesness vs L R and produce the same as if it was a 40 40 80 80 40 guy. The outcome of each play is based on a number of different things. 60/60 guys will bat better against pitchers of the opposite hand if the pitchers vs L R is unbalanced to one side or the other. If they are even, there shouldn't be any boost.

Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 3/25/2010
Along the lines of iaiaiaian's comment:
Which affects hitting stats more, the vLH/vRH split ratings or the fact that you might be a righty hitting against a y (or vice versa)?

IOW, if you have a RHB with 60/60/60/60/60 ratings, will he have similar stats vs. ies and righties, or will he still get that little 5-10% SLB boost against opposite hand pitchers?

I ran some numbers a while ago... the average difference in pitcher splits between the same hand and the opposite hand in one world I was in was about 10. So your hypothetical player will be somewhat better against LHP, since on average he'll be facing a better pitcher split when he's facing an RHP.

Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 3/25/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 3/25/2010
Meet Jay Black.

Only a 43 vs LH, so by the logic of some he's not ML level vs LH bats, despite having very good ratings in the other categories.

S10 vs LH - .340/.387/.681
S9 vs LH - .288/.361/.598
S8 vs LH - .276/.326/.570
S7 vs LH - .280/.331/.559

He's may not be the MVP candidate he is vs. RH, but he's still serviceable (IMO) vs LH, despite the 43 split.

A single split is very different than both, but since he's got those funky "reverse" splits, you can throw most logic out the window.

Give him 43 vR, and you've got yourself a AAA star, nothing more.

Does anyone else thing we see those "funky reverse splits" too often? I've got 6 guys on my big league club with some significant difference in splits...out of those 6, 4 have the reverse split thing going on. Doesn't that seem like a bit much???

The short answer seems to be that speed, baserunning, and a MIF-quality glove are required to get many ABs with sub-50 splits.

Quote: Originally posted by iain on 3/25/2010The short answer seems to be that speed, baserunning, and a MIF-quality glove are required to get many ABs with sub-50 splits.

Unless your name is Chris Burks, so the glove part is not that important.

I don't have full numbers, but I did a sampling of one world, and found (as you might expect) that the split difference for RHP was greater than for LHP. I found it to be (iirc) about 8 points for ies and almost 12 for righties. With more RH hitters, LHP who kill ies but struggle against righties can't survive, but RHP who kill righties and struggle against ies can.

Why do these types of threads always become "Well, my one guy...." threads? There are always exceptions. I don't cry over 45 control pitchers. But I won't build a staff full of them. And, if one fails, I have other options. If your 44/37 split guy fails, you'll ship him to AAA, call someone else up and forget about him. Then, when one 44/37 split guy hits, you'll show up here and say "Look at my guy!!!"