Q about Ratings Improvement During ST Topic

deathinahole
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I discovered it!

Seriously, it's more of a look at the whole picture instead of a "waaahhh, these 4 players didn't hit magical development targets dreamed up in my head" comment

But then, who's thread am I posting in? I should be booted in the face for doing that work for nothing.
4/6/2010 12:30 PM
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Not to interrupt the sidetracking of this thread, but I intend to notify the reader about the ratings of these players, once the first "Regular Season" numbers come out.

Normally, for guys like this there is a significant increase from ST to Opening Day and a decent increase from Opening Day to the first Regular Season. I am very skeptical that what will result in these cases will be equal to that, when those numbers come out. IOW, I suspect that WIS's assurance about it is wrong.
4/6/2010 2:57 PM
deathinahole
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Each of these players have jumped 10 or more OVR in two seasons, with the corresponding jumps in each of the individual rating that come with it, and you're squawking because you didn't squeeze one or two more points this spring?

Seriously?
4/6/2010 3:13 PM
ArlenWilliam
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Just like anyone normal, I'm trying to do what is best, for my prospects' improvements. If they don't make it to their projections, then any lost step along the way may have counted against them.

Try to find something benign to do with your time, diah.
4/6/2010 3:15 PM
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I'm curious which players you think should have a "significant" increase. And why.

Simon is 24 and will likely gain another 3-5 points in contact, VL/R in his career.

Cordero is a three year pro and he's likely done improving.

Carpenter is a four year pro and, like Simon, he might gain a couple of points here and there over the course of his career.

Bournigal is a 2 year pro and, even though I'm not sure why, he looks like he's about done improving.

As I see it, only Simon and Carpenter are going to improve. And it will not be "significant" over the remainder of their careers. I'm not sure why you think they will. Look at their development between S9 and S10. They'll be lucky to see half of that between S10 and S11.
4/6/2010 3:20 PM
ArlenWilliam
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Thanks for your opinion, Mike.

Okay... glad your done, then.
4/6/2010 3:22 PM
deathinahole
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If they don't make their projections, it's not WIFS' fault, it's yours.

Either coaching, or budgetting, or promotion schedule, or, or, or.

Most of us chalk it up to the price of having to do business; "my advanced scouting sucks because I budgetted most of my money in...."

You chalk it up to it being someone elses fault. Always. Since the beginning of time.

And then some noob reads your drivel, and assumes it's right. It's unfortunate.
4/6/2010 3:24 PM
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So you don't care to explain why you think they'll make significant improvements? Would that be because if flies in the face of all logic? Look at how much they improved in 500 AB last year. And, for whatever reason, you think they should be improving 2-3 points in certain categories because they got 50 AB? Even though they only improved 5-6 points in 500 AB last season? Which, by the way, is 10 times the amount of 50.

This is why you can't be taken seriously.
4/6/2010 3:32 PM
ArlenWilliam
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This thread is narrowly defined. It isn't an invitation to MikeT23 and deathinahole to further practice the art of antagonistic argument as recreation. That's not something I choose to invest my time in. They have had enough of a "forum" here.
4/6/2010 3:46 PM
MikeT23
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Just asking you to explain why you think players should make SIGNIFICANT improvements after 50 AB when they didn't make them after 500 last season.

I'll assume the redlines mean "I can't."
4/6/2010 3:48 PM
deathinahole
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Arlen hereby rejects our reality and substitutes his own!
4/6/2010 3:51 PM
MikeT23
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We know how this works. Arlen makes illogical statements. You counter, with logical examples, and ask "How does your statement make sense?"

Arlen redlines and, with any luck, people realize it's better to ignore him.
4/6/2010 3:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 4/06/2010
I'm curious which players you think should have a "significant" increase. And why.

Simon is 24 and will likely gain another 3-5 points in contact, VL/R in his career.

Cordero is a three year pro and he's likely done improving.

Carpenter is a four year pro and, like Simon, he might gain a couple of points here and there over the course of his career.

Bournigal is a 2 year pro and, even though I'm not sure why, he looks like he's about done improving.

As I see it, only Simon and Carpenter are going to improve. And it will not be "significant" over the remainder of their careers. I'm not sure why you think they will. Look at their development between S9 and S10. They'll be lucky to see half of that between S10 and S11.

4/6/2010 3:56 PM
ArlenWilliam
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Maybe I'll find the time to compare these players' development to other players at similar times in their careers. I don't really think that is necessary, though, for those who have significant experience in HBD.
4/6/2010 3:57 PM
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Also remember, a projection is just that, a projection. Its possible that you can do everything ideal for a player in ST and minor league development and not hit his "projection" because:

1) The projection you saw was inaccurate because of advance scouting.
2) The projection you saw was inaccurate because even at 20 advance scouting his unseen plateau was lower than assumed.
3) His make-up was not 100.

Edit: 4) Your coaching was not ideal for hitting his projections because of lacking in skill or patience.

4/6/2010 3:58 PM
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