WHICH IS YOUR TOP TWO PITCHER CATEGORIES Topic

tecwrg
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Weighted splits (60-65% vs R, 35-40% vs. L), control, and pitches. Not always in that order because all pitchers are different.

No absolutes, but I do have some target minimums that I prefer. But as others have said, each pitcher needs to be looked at on a case-by-case basis.
5/24/2010 10:52 AM
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1. Control and Vs R (equally weighted)
2. vs L, Pitch 1 (equal)
3. Pitch 2

I try to minimize the impact of Stam on my pitching ratings formulas because that will obviously always favor SP's. As most people have said, at a certain point you go case-by-case.
5/24/2010 11:40 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 5/24/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By movet22 on 5/23/2010This is my priority list and my ABSOLUTE minimum ratings threshold:

Control (55+)

vR (70+)

P1 (80+)

GB/FB (Only because I play in Scottsdale)

The rest fill in on a case-by-case situationYou do know we can look at your team, right?   Because, if we do, we can see that you're giving a lot of innings to pitchers who fail to meet your ABSOLUTE minimums. 



You are right.

These minimums have become a new thing for me. The team I have built now doesn't fit them exactly, but the pitchers that I will be bringing in in the future will more closely fit this mold. And I shouldn't have made "ABSOLUTE minimums" sounds quite so, well, absolute. I try quite hard to get guys like this, but the truth is that most times these are best case scenarios, and my team is definitely NOT one full of best case scenarios hahaha.

I also should say that any 2 of these are enough for me to give a guy a serious look.
5/24/2010 12:47 PM
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I wasn't intentionally(well not OVERLY intentionally) trying to be an ***. But, if a n00b is reading this thread and takes your advice, he can quickly become frustrated because he can't acquire these ABSOLUTE minimums. It's a pet peeve of mine.

And, if you're going to CAPITALIZE a word, you're drawing attention to it. That's why I checked your team. It's nice to set player acquisition goals but, sometimes, they're just not realistic.
5/24/2010 1:33 PM
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Here's what I won't use:

Control/split below 40.

Any pitcher who doesn't have a 70+ pitch and I really try to avoid using them if they don't have a 2nd pitch over 60.

That's about it.


5/24/2010 1:36 PM
movet22
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good point. edited
5/24/2010 3:38 PM
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I like to try and get pitchers with 80+ control, 60+ splits, and high gb ratios. However, the two things I also look for are high p1/vel ratings. I think if you can combine those two you'll rack up a lot of strikeouts, which I like:

Benji Juarez
Jon Cedeno
Theo Hall

These guys should all rack up 200+ IP and 200+ Ks.
5/24/2010 4:43 PM
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How can I guy have an amazing knucleball, and yet have 85 vel rating. Seems a bit odd to me, a knuckleballer who can gas hitters.
5/24/2010 5:27 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by csherwood on 5/24/2010I look at DUR and STA combined first...if either is ridiculously low I just move on and won't look at anything else...

Very true. This guy could have been a pretty solid starter - Ryan Campbell Instead, he's a SetupA who is completely gassed after 20 pitches.
5/24/2010 11:56 PM
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Not even sure what I'd do with someone with 4 durability...
5/25/2010 1:18 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by movet22 on 5/24/2010How can I guy have an amazing knucleball, and yet have 85 vel rating. Seems a bit odd to me, a knuckleballer who can gas hitters.

the names for the pitches are purely cosmetic...for the most part ignore them
5/25/2010 8:56 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by schuyler101 on 5/25/2010
Quote: Originally posted by movet22 on 5/24/2010How can I guy have an amazing knucleball, and yet have 85 vel rating. Seems a bit odd to me, a knuckleballer who can gas hitters.
the names for the pitches are purely cosmetic...for the most part ignore them

Yeah, I know, but it seems to defy basic logic. Not really an issue of any sort, I just thought it was strange. But you are right, it is just for show.
5/25/2010 12:02 PM
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I'll assume that my SP has decent DUR & STA. Anyone 20+/70+ is good. I look at vR first. That's who he's gonna face most. Then control, but I've had success with low Control(50) good splits and 4 good pitches, so it can be compensated for. Pitches are very important and I like at least 3 good ones. Don't care much about VEL except for SU & Closer. Bottom line is there are many different combos that can make a good pitcher. But to be elite, he better have high #s in all actegories.
5/25/2010 6:37 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By torrone on 5/25/2010I'll assume that my SP has decent DUR & STA. Anyone 20+/70+ is good. I look at vR first. That's who he's gonna face most. Then control, but I've had success with low Control(50) good splits and 4 good pitches, so it can be compensated for. Pitches are very important and I like at least 3 good ones. Don't care much about VEL except for SU & Closer. Bottom line is there are many different combos that can make a good pitcher. But to be elite, he better have high #s in all actegories.

I had never thought of this.
5/25/2010 7:00 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 5/25/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By torrone on 5/25/2010
I'll assume that my SP has decent DUR & STA. Anyone 20+/70+ is good. I look at vR first. That's who he's gonna face most. Then control, but I've had success with low Control(50) good splits and 4 good pitches, so it can be compensated for. Pitches are very important and I like at least 3 good ones. Don't care much about VEL except for SU & Closer. Bottom line is there are many different combos that can make a good pitcher. But to be elite, he better have high #s in all actegories.



I had never thought of this.
Ahhh..I was blazed when I wrote that.
5/25/2010 7:21 PM
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