Iguana, looking back at the play by play, I see now that they were playing a -1 FCP (my mistake and I'm not afraid to admit it - hint/hint), but how do I foul more than they do playing a +2 Man.

here are a few oddities i noticed from last nights game.

- In Mercer (simai) vs. #1 Miami (FL) miami shot 58 FTs! Mercer is really bad but they had 39 fouls in the game.

- I thought in this sim players weren't suppose to get tired quite as fast but it seems to me that players are wearing out faster than ever. Anyone else notice this?

- Florida St played 2 games last night! I've seen teams have 11 non-conference games before but not play 2 games in 1 night.

- Duke lost to simai Arkansas Pine Bluff by 21. Ark-PB is above average for a sim but Duke is really good. Both teams ran a press and Duke ended up with 5 assists 29 turnovers. Its only 1 game but still a strange result.

- Fouling is definitely way up from the past.

I just posted this in another forum with no response:

I'm not quite sure they fully fixed the full-court press fouling. I just crushed a team who fouled me 36 times!! Admittedly most were freshmen with low IQs, but a speedy senior center with an A press IQ fouled out and another almost did (all 5 starters recorded at least 4 fouls). It wasn't even a close game so I'd think there would be little reason to keep fouling.

Not saying it doesn't work, just that 36 fouls in a 97-36 loss is a little excessive. Any ideas?

OK ... I did a quick look at the NCAA stats for the 2009-2010 season with respect to defensive fouls (per team, per game).

Total Teams: 347

Teams with >= 20.0 Fouls/Game for an Avg: 72

%>=20.0 Fouls/Game: 21%

Avg Fouls/Game: 18.7

Max Team Avg: 24.2 (Kansas State)

Max Fouls, 1 Team, 1 Game: 45 (Seattle)

Max Fouls, Both Teams, 1 Game: 78 (Seattle Vs Washington)

There were more than 100 games where one team committed 31 or more fouls in the game (the site only showed the top 100 for that category and there were 31 games showing where one team committed 31 fouls, so it could be more than 100 games.

More stats for the 2009-2010 season:

Max Free throws one game, one team: 67 (Marshall) (OT game)
Max Free throws one game, one team: 61 (Washington) (Non-OT game)

At least 100 games with one team taking at least 44 Free Throws.

thanks for that hughesjr. I remember that Seattle-UW game, actually pretty similar to my game with the number of fouls despite the large margin of victory.

Also, what site did you find all this info on? I was looking for foul stats/general NCAA records with no luck. If you want you can site-mail me, thanks

If one is playing FCP for the entire game, I would argue that you would shift these numbers just a bit, since you would expect to foul more in a FCP than a "Normal Defense". So, just for the sake of argument, lets add 10% and say that FCP teams would average around 20 fouls per game and that we would expect a team to have an average of 26 fouls per game if playing FCP.

Single game events are already sufficiently high, but 70ish FreeThrows max for one team and 50ish Fouls Max one team would be +10%

This is a quick searchable place:

StatSheet

Here are downloadable CSV files directly from the NCAA for all seasons since 2001:

Mens Basketball Archived Statistics

Well I've always been a Cold Hard Facts, Graphs, Charts, and Statistics kind of a guy and it's kind of hard to argue the statistics that Hughes just put forth. I'll have to look the stuff over and get back to everyone on this, but if those stats and charts prove to be right on, and the system is more true to real life, even though it's quite a drastic change, it's gonna make me rethink how I set practice plans & recruit players in the future, and I might have to buy the FSS service for the first time to make sure I keep my recruits in line with the new system.

I still think the fouls for my team were high though. If anything, the fouls should have been reversed in my game.

Hughes, nice job Bro.

I would still like to know why 2 players set at (-2) 3pt shooting, took 3 (3pt) shots though.

Quote: Originally posted by courtmagic on 5/26/2010Well I've always been a Cold Hard Facts, Graphs, Charts, and Statistics kind of a guy and it's kind of hard to argue the statistics that Hughes just put forth. I'll have to look the stuff over and get back to everyone on this, but if those stats and charts prove to be right on, and the system is more true to real life, even though it's quite a drastic change, it's gonna make me rethink how I set practice plans and recruit players in the future, and I might have to buy the FSS service for the first time to make sure I keep my recruits in line with the new system. I still think the fouls for my team were high though. If anything, the fouls should have been reversed in my game. Hughes, nice job Bro.

I am NOT saying that HD is not committing more fouls than normal or isn't skewed to much one way or the other. I just wanted to get the Average and Max universe out there for real life so we are not comparing things to what we THINK is normal, min, max, etc.

With the real life data out there, we can see if HD is different. If it is, then we would need to see if we (the coaches) are doing something to make it different (like 50% of the coaches playing a FCP, as one example, playing everyone on the team as "fairly fresh" as another example). Once we analyze for our differences and take them into account then we could say, hey there are too many XYZs happening per game because of DATAXYZ ... can we please have that adjusted.

Wow rational intelligent debate. I've missed that.

another decent site:

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/stats/?stat=free-throws-attempted-per-game



In RL the team with most fouls per game was Texas State with 25.2 in 2010 and 26.5 in 2009.

For those in the test world take a look at the most recent team leaders. Almost every conf I looked at had a team averaging well about 25-26 fouls. And I believe each one I looked at ran the press.

Test world Catawba in D2 is averaging 51 FTAs a game and opponents are averaging less than 10 attempts per game (against Catawba's half court press/2-3 zone combo). 1024-191 advantage after 20 games

Quote: Originally posted by Iguana1 on 5/26/2010another decent site:http://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/stats/?stat=free-throws-attempted-per-game In RL the team with most fouls per game was Texas State with 25.2 in 2010 and 26.5 in 2009.For those in the test world take a look at the most recent team leaders.  Almost every conf I looked at had a team averaging well about 25-26 fouls.  And I believe each one I looked at ran the press.Test world Catawba in D2 is averaging 51 FTAs a game and opponents are averaging less than 10 attempts per game (against Catawba's half court press/2-3 zone combo).  1024-191 advantage after 20 games

Did you submit a ticket on that? Is Seble aware? Because that's just not right.

ok so now a different issue with the new engine.. I had my SG set to 17 distro score 31 points (on 10-22 FG, 7-10 FT) in my 2nd exhibition game in Smith. I was playing against a full-court press, so as far as I know there was no huge mismatch that was exploited.