Quote: Originally Posted By shagnew13 on 6/11/2010
two of my top players at Buffalo

Motley - SF - 13.8 pts/game shooting 53.4%

Suleiman - PF - 11.4 pts/game shooting 50.4%

although I am not the greatest coach, is that what you are looking for? Or just in the top 25 players list?



yes, thats what im looking for. although not SF... I know they can score.

Your PF is interesting, becuase i am seeing so few effective bigs, and here is your guy being "effective" with Aminus IQ, 79arth/46sp and 99lp. maybe you have to have 99LP? bcuase i have certainly see players who seemed better than this cat who are struggling to shoot 43% or whatever.

the other thing could be that i am looking at players who are playing an elie type schedule (30 or better sos) and you guys have played a 160sos. im not knocking you by any means, just trying to figure out what this dude has that others dont

Quote: Originally Posted By starrider19 on 6/11/2010My Smith Providence team is lead by Thomas Fairchild, a 6-10 C who is averaging 12.5 ppg and has a .553 FG%. Surprisingly, all of my guards are averaging > 2apg

• D1,
• decent (atually kinda tough) schedule,
• 50%+
• 12ppg+
• traditonal PF or C with poor PE

Quote: Originally Posted By netgymrat on 6/11/2010It's no secret that guards (and perimeter-oriented SFs) dominate with the current engine. I don't think that the bigs have really gotten worse, only that guards are being rewarded more and coaches are taking advantage of this fact. Currently in midseason Iba 24 of the top 25 scorers at D1 are PG/SG and a few SFs. One PF (tops overall) and no centers

Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 6/11/2010I've had much better luck w/ bigs who also have some PE, the two best examples I have for you Dave are Brian Manley at GW in Crum, averaged 12.2 ppg on 50.5% shooting over the 1st 10 games and Szczesny Zeigler, averaging 11.8 ppg on 57.5% shooting at Marquette in Tark

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/11/2010i have two d1 big men on different teams averaging 10+ ppg (one at 14.1) and shooting over 50%

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 6/11/2010I have a couple big men too, one of whom isn't even very good, I did not even realize he was 14 ppg and over 50% - LOL

phalen d1 has 3 sf's and 2 centers in the top ten scoring, most worlds d1 have a couple pf's/c's in the top 25, but not the 10 that you would expect from a natural spread.

from my limited knowledge of real college basketball, I would guess most teams best scorer is a guard, although how many big men are in the top 25 nationwide I would have no idea. HD might not be as far off as you are thinking.

I did notice tark has no big man in the top 25, but tark is a goofy world compared at least to the other 9 worlds




I wasnt going so much off of real world as I was comparing new engine to old.

But I am seeing enough examples to make me think it is me (and tark in general, though not sure why a whole world would be void of bigman scorers)

none of my bgs are seniors, and none are Gods like Zeigler. maybe they just dont have the right combo of ath/ap and LP to be good scorers in the FB.

Quote: Originally Posted By mniven on 6/11/2010
One answer is pretty simple: free throws.

Teams are shooting a lot more free throws and the vast majority of those shots are being taken by guards. If your top 2 guards are going to the line 15 or 20 times a game, it's hard for you best big man to keep up when he's only going to the line 4 or 5 times.

I've got a very talented C on my DII Washburn team and he's averaging 19.5 ppg on 53% shooting, but its mostly because he's been able to shoot a decent amount of free throws and he's a B+ free throw shooter. He had a 33 point game that was due largely to going 19-24 from the line.

Most big scoring games in real life and in HD come when a player goes to the line a lot and big guys are not doing that much in HD right now.



hmmm. doesnt make sense though. i thought bigmen were usually the ones wo generaed the FTs?

and, eiteher way, that might effect their total ppg, but why is thier FG% drooping?

Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 6/11/2010I don't know if many of you think this, but I felt tarek took about 5% away from big man scoring about a year before he , I think he made a whole series of 'tweeks' to try to level out the game, the net result was the sg led, bingball era - since then, seble has not really changed things too much until the new engine, but I don't think we know exactly how the new engine will ultimately sim, my guess is if seble thinks 3 pt shooting is too good, he can and will adjust it

Quote: Originally posted by mlatsko1 on 6/11/2010Oldave, kudos for making this post.

I've been watching Tark's Top 25 scoring list for the last few seasons, ever since I first noticed this (Phelan 6-7 seasons back). My last great attempt at stud post players was with a guy named Gayle Johnson @ Penn State in Phelan. I did everything I could to get him to 15-16ppg and a high number of foul shots but to my surprise, I just couldn't do it efficiently. Prior to recruiting him, I was fairly certain that there was an issue, so I stop focusing on post players with my UNC (Tark) team and my UC (Knight) squad.

The sim is EXTREMELY guard favorable.

The relationship of FT taken by guards, per shot attempted is much higher as compared to FT taken by posts, per shot attempted.

There are few things that I contribute this to.

#1 - I don't know the exact relationship, but I find that guards with good Ath draw more fouls. It's also more likely that you'll find low Ath defenders at the guard position, while Spd is now a fairly equal rating.

#2 - Coaches tend to play - D much more than they play + D.

#3 - More pressing teams would suggest more fouls prior to the time that the team gets into it's offensive set, which would mean that the posts never get the chance to even touch the ball in the offensive set.

#4 - 90 Ath - 90 D is too common for post players.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 6/11/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 6/11/2010
I've had much better luck w/ bigs who also have some PE, the two best examples I have for you Dave are Brian Manley at GW in Crum, averaged 12.2 ppg on 50.5% shooting over the 1st 10 games and Szczesny Zeigler, averaging 11.8 ppg on 57.5% shooting at Marquette in Tark.

Manly is a headcratcher. maybe its the weakish competition, but i am stumped at this guy doig so well.

as for eyechart Zeigler - that dude is a stud of the highest magnitude. if he is not scoring I want my money back.



good examples though... thanks

Quote: Originally posted by coach_billyg on 6/11/2010

Quote: Originally posted by mlatsko1 on 6/11/2010Oldave, kudos for making this post.
I've been watching Tark's Top 25 scoring list for the last few seasons, ever since I first noticed this (Phelan 6-7 seasons back). My last great attempt at stud post players was with a guy named Gayle Johnson @ Penn State in Phelan. I did everything I could to get him to 15-16ppg and a high number of foul shots but to my surprise, I just couldn't do it efficiently. Prior to recruiting him, I was fairly certain that there was an issue, so I stop focusing on post players with my UNC (Tark) team and my UC (Knight) squad.

The sim is EXTREMELY guard favorable.

The relationship of FT taken by guards, per shot attempted is much higher as compared to FT taken by posts, per shot attempted.

There are few things that I contribute this to.

#1 - I don't know the exact relationship, but I find that guards with good Ath draw more fouls. It's also more likely that you'll find low Ath defenders at the guard position, while Spd is now a fairly equal rating.

#2 - Coaches tend to play - D much more than they play + D.

#3 - More pressing teams would suggest more fouls prior to the time that the team gets into it's offensive set, which would mean that the posts never get the chance to even touch the ball in the offensive set.

#4 - 90 Ath - 90 D is too common for post players.

is this true? at least in d2 i think the opposite is true - that is the only saving grace to bigs, IMO.