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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/22/2010 3:37:00 PM (view original):
In truth, there's nothing unrealistic about a 40 PC for a starting pitcher.     Some people may think it reduces their options, and it does, but you really shouldn't have an option where you don't expect your SP to finish 3 innings.
"but you really shouldn't have an option where you don't expect your SP to finish 3 innings"

Why not?

This is making a judgment call on "proper" player usage, which is something that WhatIf has avoided doing in the past.

In my opinion, you really shouldn't have an option where you expect your SS to make 60 errors over the course of a season, but if you want to try that because you think his bat outweighs the errors, you can do so even if it isn't "proper" usage to me, to you, or to 90% of veterans. And part of WhatIf is that it should allow you to try creative solutions, whether that be playing a poor defensive 3B at SS to get his bat into the lineup or having a staff full of relief pitchers.
6/22/2010 3:59 PM
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SP at 5 to switch the platoon = gaming the system.
Starting a bad defensive SS is not. The Yankees have done that for years.
6/22/2010 4:03 PM
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Posted by deathinahole on 6/22/2010 4:03:00 PM (view original):
SP at 5 to switch the platoon = gaming the system.
Starting a bad defensive SS is not. The Yankees have done that for years.
Off-topic, but I actually had to chuckle out loud at that one. Well done.
6/22/2010 4:06 PM
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Posted by prezuiwf on 6/22/2010 2:54:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the pitch count minimum ctiricisms, but I think I can see why it was put in-- so that owners could no longer put in, for example, a LHP against a platoon-heavy lineup, let him go for one batter, and then sneak in the "real" pitcher who's right-handed. So if you start a pitcher, unless he pitches terribly and gets pulled early, he is going to have to go through the lineup at least once. So I do like that aspect, even though the tradeoff is that owners get less control over their tandems.

Speaking of tandems, though, are they EVER going to fix them? Tandem 5 and Tandem 6 have never been available, and there is no reason at all to force owners to make tandem starters the last starters in the rotation; both of these fixes would be welcome additions.
You do know you don't have to stick to a given rotation for a whole season?

My "typical" rotation for one of my teams is one ace SP, two tandems, and a floater or two for spot tandem work ... I just make sure that when it is time for the non-tandem guy to pitch next, that the current tandem is set on Tandem 4

I will acknowledge that I have to shuffle my rotation around almost every game, but your an pitch tandem and non-tandem pitchers in any order you want if you have the patience to tinker
6/22/2010 4:07 PM
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When using tandems you can still set the pitch count at 5.
6/22/2010 4:12 PM
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Posted by kneeneighbor on 6/22/2010 4:12:00 PM (view original):
When using tandems you can still set the pitch count at 5.
This has been corrected, must have been an oversight.
6/22/2010 4:23 PM
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Any reason both members of a tandem must target 40 pitches now?
6/22/2010 4:30 PM
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Yes, they're supposed to be pitchers capable of starting games.  Starting pitchers, even Joba, aren't on a 40 pitch count.

6/22/2010 4:32 PM
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Why are they considered both starting pitchers? I understand hoe the use of the first pitcher can be considered "gaming the system." How is it so for the 2nd pitcher?
6/22/2010 4:35 PM
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I hate to use "real life" but, in this case, I have to.   First, BL teams don't use tandems.  They just don't.    Second, when minor league teams do it, it's not so their closer can throw 10 pitches after the starter is removed.  The B portion of the tandem is usually a rehab pitcher(if the first one isn't) who needs the work.

WifS would do well to shitcan the whole tandem thing in the BL.  
6/22/2010 4:39 PM
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Explain to me the strategy in having 40/5/third pitcher.

Not being smart ***, just don't see the value. You've already switched the platoon on the first switch.

Actually, you're in danger of going R/L/R or L/R/L before the inning even finishes, and having no effect on the platoon.
6/22/2010 4:41 PM
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It is just frustrating to not be able to use it for RP in spring training. In "real life" teams do start their RPs or have them scheduled in spring training. In fact some teams do use their future big league RPs as 1-2 inning starters in the minors.

But I agree they should just do away with them all together in the majors. Except in ST
6/22/2010 4:42 PM
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Posted by deathinahole on 6/22/2010 4:41:00 PM (view original):
Explain to me the strategy in having 40/5/third pitcher.

Not being smart ***, just don't see the value. You've already switched the platoon on the first switch.

Actually, you're in danger of going R/L/R or L/R/L before the inning even finishes, and having no effect on the platoon.
For me it is about getting specific guys work in spring training. I suppose you could use the same methods in the minors if you wished.
6/22/2010 4:43 PM
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Well, in ST, I've always capped the starter at 45 and let the rest get in as Sparky deems so, so no affect on me.

That's why they created "Rest"
6/22/2010 4:46 PM
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Yes but with the tandems you can set your 8 guys you want to get in and then let simmy take care of the left overs and not have to worry about those 8 getting in based on situations. You know they are going to pitch.

Again I understand why they took away the 5 pitches for the first guy but there doesnt seem to be a reason for the 2nd guy to have to throw that many.
6/22/2010 4:48 PM
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