Posted by acn24 on 7/19/2010 9:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 7/19/2010 9:39:00 AM (view original):
yeah, but his 2 EEs mean it has to get split up 7 ways now...sorry OD.
Despite that, I can't imagine that teams are lining up to battle an A+ team with that much more cash than anyone else.
acn,

u hit the nail dead-on with the hammer.

not only do teams like uconn in tark have tons of cash and A+ prestige, usually everyone stays away from their targeted recruits so they never hardly ever have to battle for recruits.  additionally, those  teams usually have tons of carryover cash each season from uncontested battles so the $ just keeps accumulating.    then add the latest recruiting generator logic change which essentially eliminated "middle class" recruits...    how can anyone else win consistently ? 

no wonder oldr and similar have so many titles.  not only are they "great HD coaches" but they usually get upper tier recruits w/o battling anyone.
7/19/2010 10:38 AM (edited)
I can't speak for in the past but I know since I've been in the conference coaches haven't just been laying down for OR, he has had to do a lot of battling. In either my 1st or 2nd season he battled Boston College and spent something like 50k on a recruit and didn't get him. However this season may be different, considering everybody knows we have a ridiculous amount of money and our cheif rival in recruiting the ACC didn't have the best postseason along with teams like UCONN and Syracuse having a few openings thus they both will have over 100k to recruit with their A+ prestiges, coaches may just lay down for them and us.
7/19/2010 12:27 PM

I'm obviously missing something, but how do you carry over 33K?  Don't you only carry over 1/4 of the unused amount?

7/19/2010 1:34 PM
If you have no openings to fill, you carry over 100%.
7/19/2010 1:47 PM
"......how can anyone else win consistently ?  no wonder oldr and similar have so many titles.  not only are they "great HD coaches" but they usually get upper tier recruits w/o battling anyone....."

Only early entries can keep them in check.
7/19/2010 2:03 PM
"......how can anyone else win consistently ?  no wonder oldr and similar have so many titles.  not only are they "great HD coaches" but they usually get upper tier recruits w/o battling anyone....."

Jais,  have you started happy hour a little early or something?    we usually agree on most stuff, but this stuff is just  crazytalk.
I would agree that EE's go a long way toward keeping the uber-dynasties in check,  but when you start saying that OR is not battling anyone... well,  I'm just not seeing that

i'd say OR has seen more than his share of battles.  He and I have had several nasty battles,  and sully and others in Big East have battled him too.  and, of course there is BC.  I would guess he battles them nearly every year.   When OR, doesnt battle, its his choosing because he often takes recruits that I would suggest are beneath him..... and then he proceeds to win NC's with these kids he finds on the scrap heap.  dont get me wrong,  he does get a few blue-chippers,  but i have not seen this business of "not battling anyone"

Is there an advantage to an A+ prestige?  yes.  Does that advantage even begin to explain OR's success in tark?  not even close.  first of all there are probably 15-20 other coaches with great prestige and other advantages.  and in a 20 year span those coaches usually win one or maybe two titles.  OR has won 9. 

And,  whilst I am on a roll,  lets discuss this business of  "oldr and similar".  there is no "similar"  At least not in Tark.  DocGil and maybe a couple of others have done some impressive stuff,  but what OR has done in Tark boggles the mind.   


7/19/2010 3:54 PM
jais,  i will agree the new recruit generator seems to have omitted the middle cllass and that this will make it much tougher for the upper-mid-majors and middling-BCS teams to compete with the eliteBCS teams. 
7/19/2010 3:57 PM
Posted by kmasonbx on 7/19/2010 1:47:00 PM (view original):
If you have no openings to fill, you carry over 100%.
Gotcha, thanks. 
7/19/2010 4:28 PM
Posted by oldave on 7/19/2010 3:57:00 PM (view original):
jais,  i will agree the new recruit generator seems to have omitted the middle cllass and that this will make it much tougher for the upper-mid-majors and middling-BCS teams to compete with the eliteBCS teams. 
I don't think this is true, I just think the middle class is more hidden then in the past. For example on Bryant team, a D2 school I pulled a guy down who was ranked in the 140s as a PG however he was high potential in speed/reb/D/lp/per/bh and passing, on top of that I know for sure he's hi/hi in speed/reb/D/LP and per and he may be hi/hi in passing. His ratings started out really low for a D1 PG, but as a SF he would be an excellent player for almost any D1 school. He's could end up with final ratings of about 50ath/90sp/40reb/80D/30lp/90per/65bh/65pass. That's a really good SF and in a mid major conference could be a stud.

The mid tier D1 guys are still there you just have to look a little harder and not let us high prestige D2 schools take them.
7/19/2010 5:02 PM
Posted by oldave on 7/19/2010 3:54:00 PM (view original):
"......how can anyone else win consistently ?  no wonder oldr and similar have so many titles.  not only are they "great HD coaches" but they usually get upper tier recruits w/o battling anyone....."

Jais,  have you started happy hour a little early or something?    we usually agree on most stuff, but this stuff is just  crazytalk.
I would agree that EE's go a long way toward keeping the uber-dynasties in check,  but when you start saying that OR is not battling anyone... well,  I'm just not seeing that

i'd say OR has seen more than his share of battles.  He and I have had several nasty battles,  and sully and others in Big East have battled him too.  and, of course there is BC.  I would guess he battles them nearly every year.   When OR, doesnt battle, its his choosing because he often takes recruits that I would suggest are beneath him..... and then he proceeds to win NC's with these kids he finds on the scrap heap.  dont get me wrong,  he does get a few blue-chippers,  but i have not seen this business of "not battling anyone"

Is there an advantage to an A+ prestige?  yes.  Does that advantage even begin to explain OR's success in tark?  not even close.  first of all there are probably 15-20 other coaches with great prestige and other advantages.  and in a 20 year span those coaches usually win one or maybe two titles.  OR has won 9. 

And,  whilst I am on a roll,  lets discuss this business of  "oldr and similar".  there is no "similar"  At least not in Tark.  DocGil and maybe a couple of others have done some impressive stuff,  but what OR has done in Tark boggles the mind.   


early happy hr?  jeez, i wish.  my 12 month old boy keeps me from drinking until after he and mrs jais are well asleep.  even by then, i'm usually too tired to drink more than 1-2 cans of michelob ultra w/ lime. ha.

i know OR had his share of battles.  heck, i even had a few with him and only won ONE (and that was when he was on vacation or something).  i also know that 90% of all Tark D1 HDers avoid battles with him.  how do i know this?  i pretty much 'stalk' his recruiting list every other recruiting cycle (yes, every other cycle) to see if it's safe to target my lower class guys..  dave, i have watched him sign 4-5 star recruits without any competition many, many, & many times since we both joined the big east.  it's not his fault that people don't target his recruits the vast majority of the time.  this is just one of the reasons he has more d1 tark championships than you and me combined multiplied by 5 or so.  btw, he gets away signing uncontested recruits far more than yourself.

now i never said uncontested recruiting is the lone reason he wins.  he simply has this game figured out like he coded it himself.  it's amazing.
7/19/2010 9:55 PM (edited)
fair points mister ja,  fair points. 

still not sure we see exactly eye-to-eye on this one,  but i do see your points, and we're not too far off.

Im sure pretty much everyone will vehemently disagree with me,  but i think that over the past 35 years or whatever that cuse players have been BETTER than uconn players.

Put another way.....  i think if OR and i had gameplanned for each other  for the past 35 years...the orangedudes would have 10 titles (maybe more) and the huskies would have only one or two.  

Now that I think of it, I would wonder whether OR would agree with that?   Like I said, I know no one else would agree,  because very few coaches have had the opportunity to look at our two teams closely and consistently over the past 35+ years. and it seems an absurd statement to make.  But there is very little doubt in my mind.

Not sure if OR would agree in public,  partly because it might look arrogant to say "I can beat you with my players, and I could beat you with your players"  but I am telling you ... its true.

as for the lack of recruiting comnpetition.... i think there was a time when OR didnt have as many battles as most elite coaches,  but i have not seen that to be the case at all the past 10-15 seasons.  and, if it is true that there are fewer elite players to go around,  then that means the near-elite coaches will be more liekly to battle him in the future.
7/20/2010 6:45 PM
OD, I think if you had a different offense or defense you go 35-0 this past season. I don't think it's so much your gameplanning it's just really hard to win titles with FB/FCP.
7/20/2010 7:09 PM
that could be a part of it.

and , even though i think OR would have won a few more titles with the fastbroke... if he beccame convinced that it was hurting hiw chances to win, im thinking he would have stopped beating his head against the wall way before now.

I am pretty sure that even OR could not win three titles in a row with the FB  (there is simply no way to field a team deep enough to run the FB at an elite level three seasons in a row.  but i am not sure about this past season.  everything i can think of pointed to this being the perfect team,  the once in a lifetime team, that was built to run the FBpr.  my guess is OR goes 35-0 with the season047 orangefellas.  not sure how, or what i did wrong (though i am sure the naysayers will be coming out of the woodworks with advice as to how oldavey screwed it up.)  but i definitely think that this years orangedudes were taletned and deep enough to win it all despite using the FBpr
7/20/2010 8:20 PM
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