Posted by tmacfan12 on 8/11/2010 11:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ryrun on 8/11/2010 9:07:00 AM (view original):
I ran into this a while back and took a break from the game.  I didn't necessarily miss it in the sense that I thought about getting back into it frequently... I had basically forgotten about WiS.  But one of my friends who had also taken a break was starting a team back up and was talking about his recruiting, conference, outlook, etc - that's when I started to miss it.

And here I am again... But from reading the forums, it sounds like possibly not for long?  Lots of negative feedback on the recent changes, apparently.

But yea, deberly, I would suggest a break - I didn't see your initial message for some reason (forums have changed since I left, too), but if you're burnt out or just getting bored with it, then take a month or three off and reevaluate.

whats up man, nice to see you back. The new HD takes some getting used to, but I like it better. People need to wait until a whole world is populated with recruits before they judge anything.

Posted by theeyetest on 8/11/2010 1:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by theeyetest on 8/10/2010 9:26:00 PM (view original):
But, you're not that good. Perhaps knitting or stamp collecting?

Sorry about this, deberly. Your post was already hidden, and I thought docmastermd started this thread. I didn't gete why a coach with so little experience (doc) would announce his departure.

ryrun - I'd hope (although not sure) they would have at least 1 full test environment.  They might use that for unit, integration, and system testing but that still doesn't solve all the testing requirements.  A system like this needs to have more depth in its testing as so much of the system's variables are based on subjective opinions of the designer and not cold hard facts that can be tested in an automated fashion.  For example, I can create an automated test to make sure that when a certain situation occurs, the code works as designed.  What I can't do is automate the reasonableness of all the assumptions and I've built into that code.

Having a world where there were 2, or 3 games being run each day with real active users would go a long way towards the rest of the worlds no longer being used as test worlds.  I've seen it used very successfully in other areas.  It requires resources which may not be available at WIS but it's a solid approach to doing things like this the right way.

Posted by ryrun on 8/12/2010 10:54:00 AM (view original):
I'm sure they have a test environment - but they would never give access to that test environment to the public as a "test world."  It would be more for running rapid simulations and accruing a ton of data that they could analyze to see what impact each tweak they made to the environment would have.  They could build for different scenarios, but it would be very difficult and time consuming A) build for all possible scenarios (as this is virtually impossible) and B) analyze all of that data and eliminate all of the outliers.

That's just from a development standpoint.  It's easy for us to sit back and say that they should have known reaction B would happen to action A, but maybe it just wasn't covered in their test scenarios.  A lot of testing is trying to anticipate what a user will do... which can be mind numbingly frustrating, especially when you have people that decide to build an entire team of freshmen SF's or run a full season at uptempo -5 or whatever the hottest new way to glitch the system could be.  Some problems just can't be identified until the new engine is released and they get a chance to see what people are doing.

Just my two cents.  And waddup Tmac, good to see you still hanging around in Knight.  Maybe I'll be able to work up to the Big Ten eventually, but kicking the rust off for now.