It was all for naught, anyway. The player I got with my supplemental pick (around 80th overall) will never see the majors.

excellent point. i'm sure that will matter immensely in the discussion.

Your inability to draft is beside the point, spacecoyote.

Posted by nfet on 8/30/2010 10:27:00 AM (view original):
So, does this put Shtickless World a step above or a step below World KP?

I'm not making the connection. Nothing like this has happened in KP to my knowledge. If it is brought to light, then those users wouldnt be returning the next season.

The 2 owners involved are not in KP. There are a lot of Shtickless members in KP, and all of them that came out on the issue were against this deal.

Posted by sergei91 on 8/30/2010 12:22:00 PM (view original):
is dmurph really surprised that that type of stuff happens in shtickless world? like, for reals?

was surprised it wasnt vetoed.

• Intentionally signing questionable players that benefit the former club (i.e. Type-A free-agents in Hardball Dynasty.)
• Arranging a trade with another franchise so the other franchise can sign a free-agent resulting in the other franchise receiving compensation picks.

Intentional and arranging is the key words for it to be collusive behavior. This might of been a collusive trade I don't know, but it's also possible 2 teams can make a trade, and 1 of those teams also sign a Type A or B player of the other teams and that just be a coincidence. Regardless if a trade is obviously lopsided and the world refuses to veto I think that is a reflection of the world. It should not be that hard for 10 people to veto a trade that is obviously lopsided.

There was no coincidence in this situation. The intent to pay someone to sign the player was announced. The trade was made to pay the owner. The owner signed the free agent.

Its a reflection on the world and the commish--absolutely. The commish was aware of the deal and didnt come out against it.

apparently it bothers you a lot. so why are you still in the league?

Because it bothers you.

Posted by dmurphy104 on 8/30/2010 2:14:00 PM (view original):
There was no coincidence in this situation. The intent to pay someone to sign the player was announced. The trade was made to pay the owner. The owner signed the free agent.

Its a reflection on the world and the commish--absolutely. The commish was aware of the deal and didnt come out against it.

I missed that part. Yeah I agree the commish should of contacted WIS and made them aware of the deal.

Posted by dmurphy104 on 8/30/2010 2:14:00 PM (view original):
There was no coincidence in this situation. The intent to pay someone to sign the player was announced. The trade was made to pay the owner. The owner signed the free agent.

Its a reflection on the world and the commish--absolutely. The commish was aware of the deal and didnt come out against it.

Who is the commish?

He should have, but since Patrick who is the dev for HBD is in the league, he shouldnt have needed to.

For any World I was in with site-staff, I wouldn't want them ever going over a commish's head.  I'd rather have them play it legit, waiting for complaints through the proper channels.

Besides, if the world didn't veto it by vote, it still might not be collusion.   It's possible that the world chat posting and the trade were independent events.  The trade could just reflect the character of the world....it's not anyone but the commish's place to jump in at that point.