Posted by trobone on 9/23/2010 4:07:00 AM (view original):

ok - so follow up question...

would you rather have a SG with 40 LP and 40 per or 0 LP and 70 per assuming everything else is equal?

Posted by pitino27 on 9/23/2010 12:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by trobone on 9/23/2010 4:07:00 AM (view original):

ok - so follow up question...

would you rather have a SG with 40 LP and 40 per or 0 LP and 70 per assuming everything else is equal?

If it's a shooting guard, then the 70 PER every time and it's not even close imo. I don't even look at LP for guards at all. Whoever said that LP/PER has any effect on shot selection between an inside or outside shot is also mistaken. There is no correlation and anyone that has that on their team is purely coincidence and is an exception and not a rule. I don't see anything wrong with someone taking a guard with 40LP, just not what I build my own teams around. The more 3pt shooters I can have on my squad at the 2 and the 3, the better.

I am pretty sure there's a correlation between LP/PER ratio and shot selection.  Let me give you a good example.  I had two players last season who played the vast majority of their minutes at SF.  They were both set to "0" (i.e. "nuetral") on the 3-point selection setting. 

Player A:  LP 20, PER 48
Player B: LP 45, PER 33

If they played in the same games, at the same position and had the same 3-point shot setting, then why did their shot selection come out like this?

Player A: 96 3-point attempts out of 137 total field goal attempts, 50 free throw attempts
Player B: 58 3-point attempts out of  145 total field goal attempts, 46 free throw attempts

Player A is taking around 60% his attempts from 3 point land, Player B is taking around 35% of his attempts from 3 point land. (weighting for missed 2-point shot attempts on which a foul was committed).  This is a good sample because it is large enough and it's roughly the same size for both players. 

If there is no correlation between LP/PER and shot selection, then not only is this example a pure coincidence, but also, it wouldn't matter if Player A was 1/50 and Player B was 50/1 - there should be no difference in shot selection between them other than that which is determined by other factors (like how the defense is positioned at the time) or random chance.  I can't believe that is true.

Posted by pitino27 on 9/23/2010 12:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by trobone on 9/23/2010 4:07:00 AM (view original):

ok - so follow up question...

would you rather have a SG with 40 LP and 40 per or 0 LP and 70 per assuming everything else is equal?

If it's a shooting guard, then the 70 PER every time and it's not even close imo. I don't even look at LP for guards at all. Whoever said that LP/PER has any effect on shot selection between an inside or outside shot is also mistaken. There is no correlation and anyone that has that on their team is purely coincidence and is an exception and not a rule. I don't see anything wrong with someone taking a guard with 40LP, just not what I build my own teams around. The more 3pt shooters I can have on my squad at the 2 and the 3, the better.

Can you break down the exact differences between PE and LP in the new engine? More specifically, certain guards with excellent BH but poor PE can score with some efficiency in the current engine with the dribble drive. Will guards now need LP to finish in the lane on a drive, or will LP only apply to post up's, tips, alley-oops, etc?(narcotico - Hall of Famer - 12:29 PM)

It's best to think of Perimeter as "outside scoring" and Low Post as "inside scoring". I know the term "Low Post" isn't the best descriptor for what that rating will mean. Scoring, both inside and outside, is impacted by Ball Handling, Speed, and Athleticism.

 

When you say a shot from the paint will be mostly impacted by LP ratings, does this include a guard driving to the hoop? Basically, with this new engine should we look a lot harder at a guard's LP ratings when recruiting?(ryanderson - Pro - 2:58 PM)

Yes, any shot in the paint. That includes a guard driving to the basket and a big man posting up on the block

 

could you explain how low post will affect guard scoring? what can one say about what sorts of plays it will affect? will other variables matter less? which variables? (metsmax - Hall of Famer - 2:17 PM)

Basically, a shot from the perimeter will be mostly impacted by the player's Perimeter rating and a shot from the paint area will be impacted by the Low Post rating. Midrange shots will be a combination of the two. And of course other ratings (ATH, BH, SPD, IQ) also factor in.

 

Following up on vamrbball's 2:35 question, a player will naturally take more threes as a SG than he would as a PF, right? If that's the case, wouldn't it still be hard to play a "4-out, 1-in" kind of lineup, as the fourth guard would simply try to play like a power forward? What happens to a center played at the 3 or the 4 - would he start trying to shoot the J? (cornfused - All-Star - 2:43 PM)

The type of shots a player takes will depend on his ratings. A high perimeter player will look to shoot from that range, whether he's a SG or a C.

Posted by srunstro on 9/24/2010 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by pitino27 on 9/23/2010 12:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by trobone on 9/23/2010 4:07:00 AM (view original):

ok - so follow up question...

would you rather have a SG with 40 LP and 40 per or 0 LP and 70 per assuming everything else is equal?

If it's a shooting guard, then the 70 PER every time and it's not even close imo. I don't even look at LP for guards at all. Whoever said that LP/PER has any effect on shot selection between an inside or outside shot is also mistaken. There is no correlation and anyone that has that on their team is purely coincidence and is an exception and not a rule. I don't see anything wrong with someone taking a guard with 40LP, just not what I build my own teams around. The more 3pt shooters I can have on my squad at the 2 and the 3, the better.

According to seble, LP/PE does affect shot selection.  Since he wrote the code, I'm more likely to believe him than you.