http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1568738

4683 carrer ML at bats - 0 homers 99 speed, and no inside the park homers either.  I see where they say about 1 or 2 inside the park homers per world per season?  Anyone else question that, b/c it seems like it happens way more often than that, unless my teams just happen to get all the inside the park homers.  I've also seen some pretty slow runners hit inside the park homers, so I don't know that I completely trust them on that one.

That's what I'm trying to get at with them, I want them to look at the numbers they have available and see if the engine really does respond how they think it does.

Posted by bigal888 on 9/27/2010 5:28:00 PM (view original):
That's what I'm trying to get at with them, I want them to look at the numbers they have available and see if the engine really does respond how they think it does.

As often as not, it doesn't. This is an example of that.

I'm pretty sure there are far more than jsut 1 or 2 ITPHRs per world per season. I would guess there's probably about 5 per team per season, maybe more. It at least seams that way. Nevertheless, a speedster with 0 power you would assume would have a drawn in outfield and at some point the outfielder would dive for a ball and miss it which would lead to an ITPHR; at least in theory. There is no way they have the same chance of hitting an ITPHR than any other player because they they would have to have at least 1 by now which we can't even seem to find. Not even in the minors with terrible fielders.

Albert Castillo - 1003 MiL AB; 1482 ML AB
Al Ordaz - 1498 MiL AB; 1310 ML AB
Mariano Mateo - 1743 MiL AB; 1711 ML AB
Vladimir Crespo - 1474 MiL AB; 1931 ML AB
Randy Gwynn - 2432 MiL AB; 798 ML AB
Norborto Polonia - 2724 MiL AB; 1192 ML AB
Alex Uchida - 2969 MiL AB; 1151 ML AB
Einar Gonzalez - 1631 MiL AB; 3130 ML AB
Jackson Shuey - 2108 MiL AB; 1752 ML AB

Brady Kaline - 1877 MiL AB; 501 ML AB
Stan Knoblauch - 1940 MiL AB; 277 ML AB
John Zhou - 33 MiL AB; 1534 ML AB
Winston Bridges - 3018 ML AB
Mark Crudale - 1041 MiL AB; 467 ML AB
Karl Phillips - 1351 MiL AB; 1624 ML AB
Jarred Rose - 1207 MiL AB; 357 ML AB
Lew Moore - 1762 MiL AB; 130 ML AB

Miguel Ramirez - 1336 MiL AB; 4174 ML AB
Aurelio Benavente - 1594 MiL AB; 169 ML AB
Louie Villano - 1401 MiL AB; 1361 ML AB
Phil Kwon - 1311 MiL AB; 2684 ML AB
Cory Hamilton - 1704 MiL AB; 68 ML AB
Roy James - 1360 ML AB
Ramiro Estrada - 1767 MiL AB; 1488 ML AB
Bernie Dorsey - 463 MiL AB; 3301 ML AB
Charles Yang - 2448 MiL AB; 1876 ML AB

Posted by bigal888 on 9/27/2010 3:11:00 PM (view original):
and then the real response from CS

9/27/2010 3:09 PM	Customer Support
Alan, What you are asking is possible. It would be about as common as any other type of ITPHR. One or two per world per season.

One or two per world per season? I am sure I see 10+ a season just in my ML games.

Posted by vladyhop on 9/29/2010 8:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bigal888 on 9/27/2010 3:11:00 PM (view original):
and then the real response from CS

9/27/2010 3:09 PM	Customer Support
Alan, What you are asking is possible. It would be about as common as any other type of ITPHR. One or two per world per season.

One or two per world per season? I am sure I see 10+ a season just in my ML games.

+1

Posted by sportsboy010 on 9/26/2010 12:31:00 PM (view original):
http://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1542712   (not sure how to make it a link)

Ricky Roberts has 5155 AB's (2275 Minors, 2880 Majors) without ever hitting a home run. Roberts does have 86 extra base hits (56 2B and 30 3B)  though in this 2880 big league at bats. I see players all the time hitting inside the park home runs, in fact i think there are far too many, but they are true power hitters that aren't fast at all. My guy whose a speed demon can't even get 1; that's kind of crazy. I would think he would hit 1 ball in the gap or that a player dives and misses and he can just run. Apparently not...

So Roberts has the most!?!

Posted by sportsboy010 on 9/29/2010 3:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sportsboy010 on 9/26/2010 12:31:00 PM (view original):
http://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1542712   (not sure how to make it a link)

Ricky Roberts has 5155 AB's (2275 Minors, 2880 Majors) without ever hitting a home run. Roberts does have 86 extra base hits (56 2B and 30 3B)  though in this 2880 big league at bats. I see players all the time hitting inside the park home runs, in fact i think there are far too many, but they are true power hitters that aren't fast at all. My guy whose a speed demon can't even get 1; that's kind of crazy. I would think he would hit 1 ball in the gap or that a player dives and misses and he can just run. Apparently not...

So Roberts has the most!?!

Miguel Ramirez - 1336 MiL AB; 4174 ML AB

Posted by zbrent716 on 9/29/2010 4:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sportsboy010 on 9/29/2010 3:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sportsboy010 on 9/26/2010 12:31:00 PM (view original):
http://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1542712   (not sure how to make it a link)

Ricky Roberts has 5155 AB's (2275 Minors, 2880 Majors) without ever hitting a home run. Roberts does have 86 extra base hits (56 2B and 30 3B)  though in this 2880 big league at bats. I see players all the time hitting inside the park home runs, in fact i think there are far too many, but they are true power hitters that aren't fast at all. My guy whose a speed demon can't even get 1; that's kind of crazy. I would think he would hit 1 ball in the gap or that a player dives and misses and he can just run. Apparently not...

So Roberts has the most!?!

Miguel Ramirez - 1336 MiL AB; 4174 ML AB

Ahh. How do you put in the actual link?

looks like it may change:

9/29/2010 4:12 PM	Customer Support
Alan, We've reviewed the code and data and have made a minor adjustment to raise the floor a little bit. This will be out in the next update. You're not going to see guys with 0 power starting to hit a bunch of homers -- you're going to see them hit one a little more frequently than they currently do. Thanks

Awesome.

Posted by vladyhop on 9/29/2010 8:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bigal888 on 9/27/2010 3:11:00 PM (view original):
and then the real response from CS

9/27/2010 3:09 PM	Customer Support
Alan, What you are asking is possible. It would be about as common as any other type of ITPHR. One or two per world per season.

One or two per world per season? I am sure I see 10+ a season just in my ML games.

I think they were referring to 0 power guys, not total league ITPHR.

In this game I had a guy with 25 speed truck around for an ITPHR.

I don't think ITPHR had anything to do with speed/baserunning...check out this response I got from CS.

9/29/2010 5:58 PM	bigal888
thanks for looking into this. I guess it somewhat answers my question, but it still leaves me hanging a tad. I am still wondering about inside the park HR's. Are they a separate event from over the fence HR? I don't think someone with zero power should hit very much if anything over the fence, but I do think a fast enough one should get lucky every once in a while and hit an ITPHR. Basically, is an inside the park HR different from an over-the-fence HR the same way a double is different than a triple? Are they independent of each other? I get the feeling they are not.
9/30/2010 10:00 AM	Customer Support
Currently, they are not independent events. We understand your point and will address it in a future engine update. Thank you.