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Posted by jetwildcat on 9/27/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):
that's actually a good question for seble...

is "1" in a category meant to be, the slowest a normal human can be, or just the slowest players in the game?

FWIW i do think guys like manute bol are a 1 or a 2

and arssanguinus doesnt get zags' point
A 1 in any category is the worst a player in the game can be not a normal person. Some huge fat guy would be a negative speed because hes slower than the slowest college player.
9/27/2010 7:28 PM
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Posted by jetwildcat on 9/27/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):
that's actually a good question for seble...

is "1" in a category meant to be, the slowest a normal human can be, or just the slowest players in the game?

FWIW i do think guys like manute bol are a 1 or a 2

and arssanguinus doesnt get zags' point
I get his point perfectly well, I just don't agree with it.

9/27/2010 9:12 PM
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Posted by blackdog3377 on 9/27/2010 7:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jetwildcat on 9/27/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):
that's actually a good question for seble...

is "1" in a category meant to be, the slowest a normal human can be, or just the slowest players in the game?

FWIW i do think guys like manute bol are a 1 or a 2

and arssanguinus doesnt get zags' point
A 1 in any category is the worst a player in the game can be not a normal person. Some huge fat guy would be a negative speed because hes slower than the slowest college player.
'zactly.

9/27/2010 9:15 PM
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but a player who is as slow as slow can be in college basketball should theoretically have superior skill sets in other areas to make them actual successful basketball players. bradley and mutumbo aren't good examples at all when it comes to evaluating what a normal 1 spd player looks like in HD.
9/28/2010 12:50 AM
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Getting back to the original question, I think a 1-speed center can absolutely be successful in D3 playing either zone or man (assuming he's strong in ath, reb and def). I had a 55-ath, 5-spd center a few seasons back who did really well for me. Every player in D3 is flawed in some way - I'd rather he be low in speed than one of the 4 key categories for big men.
9/28/2010 4:06 PM
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Posted by blackdog3377 on 9/27/2010 7:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jetwildcat on 9/27/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):
that's actually a good question for seble...

is "1" in a category meant to be, the slowest a normal human can be, or just the slowest players in the game?

FWIW i do think guys like manute bol are a 1 or a 2

and arssanguinus doesnt get zags' point
A 1 in any category is the worst a player in the game can be not a normal person. Some huge fat guy would be a negative speed because hes slower than the slowest college player.
so if i gave a big fat guy a scholarship, everyone else becomes a 20 spd and fat albert becomes a 1?

i think if you can move, you get a "1". "1" might just encompass a wide range of speeds compared to higher ratings. It would account for the improvement bell curve if it did.
10/1/2010 12:45 PM
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Posted by jetwildcat on 9/27/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):
that's actually a good question for seble...

is "1" in a category meant to be, the slowest a normal human can be, or just the slowest players in the game?

FWIW i do think guys like manute bol are a 1 or a 2

and arssanguinus doesnt get zags' point
this has been answered, i am pretty sure at least, 1 is the slowest in the college athlete universe, not anywhere close to the slowest a normal human can be.
10/1/2010 12:49 PM
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Posted by coach_billyg on 10/1/2010 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jetwildcat on 9/27/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):
that's actually a good question for seble...

is "1" in a category meant to be, the slowest a normal human can be, or just the slowest players in the game?

FWIW i do think guys like manute bol are a 1 or a 2

and arssanguinus doesnt get zags' point
this has been answered, i am pretty sure at least, 1 is the slowest in the college athlete universe, not anywhere close to the slowest a normal human can be.

Really weak answer for you Billy.......so where outside this forum is it written.... show me.

and no pain-in-the-arse-b does NOT gets Zags point.

anyone show me where it is written that 1-100 is not a rating of HUMAN attributes. But some special code that only applies to college basketball players

I'm not saying it's either... just show me where it says what it is a rating of.

10/1/2010 4:16 PM (edited)
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Greg Ostertag was an effective college player with a 1 speed.
10/1/2010 4:19 PM
mizzou77
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Where did you see his attributes at?
On a program at a game?
In a recruiting brochure put together by a scout service?
or did his creator tell you he was a 1?
or did you,,,, just by observation decided he was a 1 on your speed scale?

He was pretty slow BTW,,,, and very effective also.
10/1/2010 4:31 PM
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Posted by mizzou77 on 10/1/2010 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by coach_billyg on 10/1/2010 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jetwildcat on 9/27/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):
that's actually a good question for seble...

is "1" in a category meant to be, the slowest a normal human can be, or just the slowest players in the game?

FWIW i do think guys like manute bol are a 1 or a 2

and arssanguinus doesnt get zags' point
this has been answered, i am pretty sure at least, 1 is the slowest in the college athlete universe, not anywhere close to the slowest a normal human can be.

Really weak answer for you Billy.......so where outside this forum is it written.... show me.

and no pain-in-the-arse-b does NOT gets Zags point.

anyone show me where it is written that 1-100 is not a rating of HUMAN attributes. But some special code that only applies to college basketball players

I'm not saying it's either... just show me where it says what it is a rating of.

Just logic.  If it was "All people everywhere" Then just about every single player would be above fifty in most attributes compared to the general population even in division three.  As they are not, obviously its not.  And why would they make a scale that compares things to a category of people that would never show in any way in the game?  Why would the scale have any reason whatsoever to include things outside of the universe it is trying to describe?  Why would it even need to include the numbers to describe a stocking clerk, cashier or gas station attendant?  Does every single little thing in the game, no matter what have to be spelled out explicitly?  Its just a matter of common sense that the scale would be calibrated to describe the thing that it is trying to describe:  ie a college athlete who plays basketball.

And what makes you think I don't get his point?  Tell me exactly what you think the point I 'don't get' is?

And what is the deal with your belligerence? 

 

 

 

10/1/2010 8:49 PM
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a) 1 speed bigs can be effective, but probably not as much in a press.

b) who gives a **** about the scale of player ratings?
10/1/2010 9:22 PM
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i have been drafting (DIII) 70+reb, sb  40+ath  1 spd centers...won nat fresh of the year with 1, had another avg 9pts, 8 reb as fresh. all playing m2m
10/2/2010 9:58 AM
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My D2 Billings squad has a guy named Cohen, who started with 8 spd, he was high spd potential,average ath. He was high pot sb and reb, Now at his Sr year, he's 41/21, 99 reb, 99 sb. Last year he shot 52%, 6.6 ppg, 1.9blk, 8.8 rb, 2.3 fouls. I'd recruit a guy like him again in a heartbeat, despite his mediocre d2 speed and ath ratings. And I run man. His freshman year, he still got 5.6 reb and 1 block a game despite being slower than molasses. In fact, on the same squad, I just recruited a guy this season who's his clone named Randolph, except he's got 80 ath instead of the 31 Cohen started out with. I'm expecting big things, especially after I dump Fastbreak after this season.
10/3/2010 3:03 AM
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I think what these few examples have shown is that it appears that 1 speed centers can be effective AND that this is another area that makes the HD basketball word vastly different from RW basketball.  I for one don't think HD needs to mimick RW (unless they stated it was their intent) but it's useful to know if they are playing by a different set of basketball rules so that one can drop any presumptions about what makes an individual a good player and focus solely on the rules of HD.
10/4/2010 12:07 PM
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