Type A FA Downgrade Topic

MikeT23
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I believe the point is that MLB teams don't change Type A or Type B designations.

My post "How about letting me upgrade my FA to Type A?   That way, if someone signs him, I get a comp pick.  If not, he'll ask for a reduced salary and I can get him back on the cheap!!!!" is simply mocking you.   What you want is a comp pick when no one wants to give you one.  What I mockingly want is to scare people away from my player so I can re-sign him cheaper.   What we both want, you in all seriousness, me in complete mockery of your seriousness, is to have the power to manipulate the system so it works for us. 

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9/30/2010 5:24 PM
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That said, I don't think I'd object too loudly if the Type A became Type B instead of Type nothing when the draftees came out.  After all, the guy signing those guys are gaming the system too.   I think you'd see the better ones get picked up at that point but, in all likelihood, just as many would go unsigned.
9/30/2010 5:33 PM
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deanod
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I think AlCheez did a very nice job of explaining why it's not unfair at all.

If you're not willing to re-sign the guy for $1.5M (or whatever) given the opportunity, you don't deserve draft pick compensation to begin with.  Why?  Because we get to circumvent the part where we offer arbitration and risk that the player accepts.
9/30/2010 5:52 PM
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The Type A/B designation is an independent and objective designation that is based on a ranking within position groupings of the entire pool of departing free agents.  As it currently implemented in HBD, it doesn't accurately model "real life" in that it's based on OVR ratings and not on statistics (for reasons I'm not going to go into here).  But it is what it is.

You want to throw the "independent and objective" part out the window and replace it with a "personal and subjective" part.  Really, just to enhance the possibilities of your getting compensation for your departing free agents.  That seems to me to be an invitation to open the door to chaos, as you could have 32 owners applying their own judgement and standards to their own departing FA's, and could throw the FA pool and bidding out of whack.  I'm not sure you really want to go there.

9/30/2010 6:48 PM
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Sorry guys, I've read all of the objections, and I just don't see a problem with the idea.  I think what isn't being made clear is that if you have a type A FA who's demands are too high,  you would go with a different option from the FA market to fill that hole in your roster.  Having done that, you will not want to re-sign the guy, even if his asking price drops, since you would have already filled the position.
I know that giving up draft picks is a deterrent.  The guy in his example was signed as soon as the draft was generated, so he had value.  Whoever signed him was just waiting for the type A designation to go away.  It seems like an end-run around the FA compensation rules when that happens.
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tufft, I'm well aware of how Type A and Type B work.   I'm equally aware that your "suggestion" is very self-serving.  Rather than simply say "Allowing owners to manipulate the system to serve their own needs is silly", I chose to have a little fun with you.  

Seriously, everyone would love a comp pick when losing any of their players.   In lieu of a comp pick, most of us would like to re-sign their departing FA at a discount.  Manipulating Type A/B to suit ones needs/desires isn't even remotely a good idea.    It's not how it works, it's not how it should work.

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9/30/2010 7:16 PM
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Just sign the guy the day before prospects come out. You'll be spending under $1M, for quality production, and the ratings decrease he got while he was waiting out there probably makes him a Type B for next year.
9/30/2010 7:31 PM
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Since I don't really think you understand how I was mocking you, I'll use smaller words and attempt to be more clear:

Your suggestion is an attempt to encourage another owner to sign your player so you can get something in return.  You have chosen, for roughly one real life month, to not re-sign this player even at his greatly reduced asking price.  I don't think he has much value to you.

My suggestion, made in jest, was to discourage another owner from signing my player.  I have chosen, for a week or so, to not re-sign my player for any number of reasons.   Nonetheless, he's obviously not valuable to me at his asking price.  I don't think he has much value to me.

Why should either of us get something for a player we do not value?  You want a comp pick, I want a cheaper player.  I can't think of any reason why we should get either.
9/30/2010 7:32 PM
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Now you're just not making any sense Mike.
9/30/2010 7:48 PM
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gotch'a!
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deanod
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How about this: nobody thinks your idea is worthwhile and it will never happen.

THE END!!!
9/30/2010 10:54 PM
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