I have to admit...this thread is pegging very high on my "morbid curiosity" meter, plague. Can't wait to see/hear/watch how it goes. 

I am setting up my recruiting charts now. My team has a C prestige, and the two guys I want the most are between 465 and 475 overall. From my limited experience I am betting I don't get either of those 2 guys. Once I sign a player I will post their abilities and future stars scouting.  A couple players I am targeting have high WE, and high potential, but their starting abilities are below desirable, I am curious if they will progress enough to make it worthwhile.

Too you experienced players............ lets say a player has a 75 starting WE, and High future stars potential, how high could you get a rating that started at 25, if you started him for 4 seasons, with 20 minutes practice in that ability? Will I hit a cap at say 50 or 60, or could he go as high as 80+?

That really depends on the player.  There is a hard cap somewhere.  If you scout the player and see "the sky's the limit" to describe the attribute, there's no telling how high it will go.  Otherwise you're looking at between 20 and 40 improvement depending on what message you get.

So far none of the D2 players I targeted as High will listen to my phone calls. I am considering looking for multiple players with High potential just to see how high their cap can go.

Posted by plague on 1/2/2011 9:56:00 PM (view original):
I am setting up my recruiting charts now. My team has a C prestige, and the two guys I want the most are between 465 and 475 overall. From my limited experience I am betting I don't get either of those 2 guys. Once I sign a player I will post their abilities and future stars scouting.  A couple players I am targeting have high WE, and high potential, but their starting abilities are below desirable, I am curious if they will progress enough to make it worthwhile.

Too you experienced players............ lets say a player has a 75 starting WE, and High future stars potential, how high could you get a rating that started at 25, if you started him for 4 seasons, with 20 minutes practice in that ability? Will I hit a cap at say 50 or 60, or could he go as high as 80+?

It depends on whether that high is a low-high (20/21-28/30 points growth) or high-high (28+/30+). If it is high-high, you don't know the ceiling until you hit it. It could rise 50 or 60 points over 4 seasons.  I haven't seen 80, but that may be a factor of not recruiting anyone with room for 80 points in a category I cared about raising 80 points, so it may be possible, but I don't have any experience there...

 I signed 5 of my 6 players(3 Centers, 1 SF, and 1 PG) I am hoping to find a SG with my last spot. I will redshirt a Center and play 1 of the other 2 centers at PF......... I will post the other players. I targeted players with high potential at the price of sacrificing some skills.

Future Stars scouting after each rating.

Elmo Foster (Center)   440

Athleticism            18     High
Speed                   14     Low
Rebounding         61     High
Defense               32     Average
Shot Blocking      41     High
Low-post              29     High
Perimeter             16     High
Ball Handling      34     Low
Passing               12     High
Work Ethic           77     
Stamina              53      High
Durability            53      High
Free Throw                   High

- Uncoordinated, just not very athletic - unless I'm an idiot and/or this is the laziest kid ever, we can *dramatically* improve his athleticism.
- Very hard to stop inside - sky's the limit.
- Passing needs work - with more experience I expect to see TREMENDOUS improvement.
- Outside shot can be inconsistent - I see such solid fundamentals that with enough practice I don't see why he can't be a *significantly* better shooter than he is today..
- Defensive fundamentals need work - I'd expect to see decent improvement.
- Looked shakey at the free throw line - the fundamentals look solid, with time and coaching, he could really show some improvement.
- Fantastic rebounding instincts - there's no reason to NOT expect HUGE improvement here.
- Outside shot can be inconsistent - I see such solid fundamentals that with enough practice I don't see why he can't be a *significantly* better shooter than he is today..
- Excellent ball handling skills - probably not going to see much in the way of improvement.
- Great shotblocking instincts and fundamentals - he's shown glimpses of raw ability which make me think he just has *tremendous* room for improvement.
- Outside shot can be inconsistent - I see such solid fundamentals that with enough practice I don't see why he can't be a *significantly* better shooter than he is today..

Jame Mccarthy (Center)  415

Athleticism          22     High
Speed                  11     Low
Rebounding       77     High
Defense              35     Average
Shot Blocking     62     High
Low-post             37     High
Perimeter              1     Low
Ball Handling     10     Low
Passing                1     High
Work Ethic          74     
Stamina              51     High
Durability            34     Average
Free Throw                 High
 
- Defensive fundamentals need work - I'd expect to see decent improvement.
- Great shotblocking instincts and fundamentals - definitely has above average room for growth with the right drills and coaching.
- Fantastic rebounding instincts - based on my experience, he can still improve substantially if we work with him and he's willing.
- Above average student in the classroom and on the court.
- Very hard to stop inside - sky's the limit.
 - Uncoordinated, just not very athletic - I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he could improve substantially if he really works at it.
- Poor court vision/passing skills - with more experience I expect to see TREMENDOUS improvement.
- Looks very uncomfortable facing the basket - not expecting any improvement.

It depends on the level of high if its high high then 40 with a 20 we

Matthew Tobler  (Center)  427

Athleticism       16     High
Speed               11     Average
Rebounding    54     High
Defense           12     High
Shot Blocking  50     High
Low-post         20      High
Perimeter        27      Low
Ball Handling  22     Average
Passing           15     Low
Work Ethic       58     
Stamina           62     High
Durability        80       Average
Free Throw                 High

- Uncoordinated, just not very athletic - I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he could improve substantially if he really works at it.
- Great shotblocking instincts and fundamentals - definitely has above average room for growth with the right drills and coaching.
- Fantastic rebounding instincts - there's no reason to NOT expect HUGE improvement here.
- Above average student in the classroom and on the court.
- Excellent outside shooter - I'm just not sure we're going to be able to help him get much better.
- Decent dribbling ability - should improve with the right drills in practice.
- Just average from the line - I definitely think we can correct some fundamental issues to help him improve.
- Passing needs work - I don't think we're going to be able to get much more out of him.
 - Decent low post moves - sky's the limit.

 Robert Washington  (Small Forward) 389


Athleticism          1   High
Speed                41    High
Rebounding     20     High
Defense            12     Low
Shot Blocking     7     High
Low-post          28     High
Perimeter         30     High
Ball Handling   30     Low
Passing             47     Average
Work Ethic        74     
Stamina            65     High
Durability         34      High
Free Throw                 High

I only did 1 scouting trip with him.

- It's like he's never been taught basic defensive fundamentals - I'm not anticipating any improvement.
- Just doesn't have a good instinct for blocking shots - definitely has above average room for growth with the right drills and coaching.
- Pretty solid rebounder - there's no reason to NOT expect HUGE improvement here.
- Above average student in the classroom and on the court.

Bobby Snelling (PG) 428

Athleticism      30     Low
Speed              62     Low
Rebounding      9     High
Defense           31     Low
Shot Blocking    1     Low
Low-post            1     High
Perimeter        19     High
Ball Handling  36     High
Passing           45     High
Work Ethic       71     
Stamina           67     High
Durability         56     High
Free Throw               Average

- Definitely wasn't the best athlete on the floor and I don't think we're going to see much improvement.
- Good free throw mechanics - I definitely think we can correct some fundamental issues to help him improve.
- Outstanding court vision and passing ability - with more experience I expect to see TREMENDOUS improvement.
- Can tire late in the game - with the right diet and drills, I think we can see a *dramatic* change in his conditioning.
- Excellent ball handling skills - with the right drills and assuming he's willing to put in the time, I see big upside.
- Has nothing inside unless he beats his defender off the dribble - sky's the limit.
- Can knock the outside shot down if open - I see such solid fundamentals that with enough practice I don't see why he can't be a *significantly* better shooter than he is today..

plague - i admire your passion to figure stuff out. but, personally, i think an easier solution is to practice an offense and defense, and then on a few random occasions, play something else. that would effectively test the effect of poor iq, without the pain you are going to endure doing it with no practice in any offense or defense.

IMO the best offense to run with bad iqs is flex. not sure if that means you want to play it or not, but i figured id throw that in there.

also, this experiment would have a lot greater chance of resulting in something (other than this is a really not good strategy) in the old engine, when growth wasn't capped like it is today. now, you are going to just max your players earlier, but your upperclassmen will not be materially better than anyone else's ratings wise as a result of the use of practice time for ratings growth. so you may as well throw 10 minutes in some offense and some defense so when you get tired of the experiment, if you want to go on with the players you recruited, you aren't starting from ground 0.

in any case, good luck, hope you learn some good stuff :)

21 games into the season I am 3-18 and 5 more games left in the regular season, which does not surprise me considering I have 5 freshmen starting, no minutes into formations, and zero effort into gameplanning.

However the improvements have been great and hopefully by these players senior season they will be worthwhile players.

Elmo Foster has improved 97 points.

Robert Washington has improved 88 points.

James Rapp has improved 83 points.

Matthew Tobler has improved 82 points

Bobby Snelling has improved 74 points

And the player I redshirted

James Mccarthy has improved 47 points.

I can assume playing time or starting makes a large difference in player improvement.

I know its only 21 games but so far no player has maxed out a rating.