Bidding on International Free Agents Topic

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Mike, with only one bid then you have a new problem...

"I didn't have time to log in last night and this stud 93 overall IFA came in and I would have offered $24m but since I didn't see him in time somebody signed him for only $18.5m.  This sucks!!!!"
 

1/25/2011 10:17 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 1/24/2011 2:31:00 PM (view original):
It solves all problems.  Didn't you read it?

No more increasing/decreasing bids.   No more having the top offer until the last cycle and being outbid without a chance to match.    No more screwing around for 6 days wondering if he'll sign.

And it's far more realistic than a bidding war.    Look at the MLB internationals.  Closed bid to the current foreign team for the RIGHT to negotiate.   You don't see the Yanks offering 35m to negotiate with Dice-K only to have the Red Sux bid 38m only to have the Angels bid 42m so the Sux can bid 51m.    Interested teams submit an undisclosed offer and it's done. 
I have to agree.  However, the biggest IFAs should then be available to everyone regardless of their budget, as everyone already knows about these types of players thanks to the media.
1/26/2011 12:12 AM (edited)
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Posted by jimmystick on 1/25/2011 10:17:00 PM (view original):
Mike, with only one bid then you have a new problem...

"I didn't have time to log in last night and this stud 93 overall IFA came in and I would have offered $24m but since I didn't see him in time somebody signed him for only $18.5m.  This sucks!!!!"
 

Who said IFA sign after 24 hours?   Leave 'em out there for a week.    Let everyone have a shot.  
1/26/2011 8:26 AM
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Posted by opie100 on 1/26/2011 12:12:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 1/24/2011 2:31:00 PM (view original):
It solves all problems.  Didn't you read it?

No more increasing/decreasing bids.   No more having the top offer until the last cycle and being outbid without a chance to match.    No more screwing around for 6 days wondering if he'll sign.

And it's far more realistic than a bidding war.    Look at the MLB internationals.  Closed bid to the current foreign team for the RIGHT to negotiate.   You don't see the Yanks offering 35m to negotiate with Dice-K only to have the Red Sux bid 38m only to have the Angels bid 42m so the Sux can bid 51m.    Interested teams submit an undisclosed offer and it's done. 
I have to agree.  However, the biggest IFAs should then be available to everyone regardless of their budget, as everyone already knows about these types of players thanks to the media.
That sort of takes away from the budgeting process but it is a legit point.   Skew the projections really badly for the 1m IFA scouting guys, ELMINATE THE DEMANDS and it would work just fine.    I know, when I budget low and see a guy demanding 5m, which guys are BL material.
1/26/2011 8:28 AM
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Mike, MOST IFA never go through a posting process like Dice-K, Matsui, etc. That is exclusive to Japanese players under contract to Japanese professional teams. Most real life IFA's come from Latin American countries and 100% go through a bidding war just as in HBD. So, you actually couldn't be more wrong on the process for the vast majority of IFA.
1/26/2011 10:01 AM
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/international-free-agent-signings-saturday.html


Just one of countless sources that prove this to be true. Baseball America also tracks these BIDDING war signings every year as well.
1/26/2011 10:04 AM
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So, do you have a comment beyond that?   Because, as you should know, this is a suggestion forum.
1/26/2011 12:50 PM
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That would be cool if Japanese players could have a posting process while other countries would not.

I also like the idea of removing IFA player demands.  You'll know if you are in the lead or not.  

1/26/2011 1:21 PM (edited)
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No. I was simply pointing out that the current system is closer to real luife than the suggestion that you suggested in the suggestion forum and thus doesn't really need to be improved in that manner.

1/26/2011 2:11 PM
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I would agree removing their demands makes it better but I don't know about the one bid idea. Its gotta b at least 2 bids, I think there has to some kind of offer and reoffer
1/26/2011 2:41 PM
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One bid stops the nonsense, if it was nonsense, that the OP suggested happened.   It also stops the nonsense that has occurred in my last two completed seasons.   I knew EXACTLY where I stood with IFA bidding as the season finished up.   I was #2 with available funds in one and #1 with available funds in another.

That's another thing that needs to go away.   No way should I know how much Owner B has to spend on an IFA.
1/26/2011 2:58 PM
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I don't understand why it has to be so secretive.  I think it's fine the way it is.  If realism is the goal, then if anything we should have MORE information.  The reason the Red Sox bid $50 mil on DiceK is because they KNEW the Yankees were bidding really high too.

In real life one scout tells another scout something, and he blabs about it to his nephew who puts it on his twitter and within 15 minutes ESPN is reporting the Dodgers have a $20 million offer on the table for So-and-So.
1/26/2011 11:26 PM
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HBD is different in that we have limited budgets.   If the Yanks wanted to bid 100m for Dice-K, they could have.    However, if I know you have 13m and you're the 2nd highest, I can bid 13.001m and know I win.  
1/27/2011 8:51 AM
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Why not really make it real. Give 3 international budgets, Caribbean, south America, and Asia/Pacific. Cap total spend @ 20.

For most oc these players only the teams with local operations have a chance. And tons of top players were not the subject of bidding wars.
2/1/2011 11:44 AM
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"For most oc these players only the teams with local operations have a chance. And tons of top players were not the subject of bidding wars."

Name one who didn't come from Japanese professional baseball or isn't named Chapman. Just because we're not necessarily talking about millions of dollars doesn't mean that there is not a bidding war. There is always a bidding war - just on a smaller scale for int'l nat'l players.
2/1/2011 12:09 PM
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