Posted by grantduck on 2/12/2011 8:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 4green2 on 2/12/2011 7:50:00 AM (view original):

...lack of variety among recruits?  What?  Huh?

Current recruits are way more varied than they ever were before the updates.
 

You are correct, but there's still some key variance issues they miss.

I've been through it in depth in another thread posting specific ratings etc...but there's a big time lack of spd in bigs as compared to before and there are very few guards who can rebound, wheras in real  life, the spd ratio is much closer in a lot of cases and there are guards that lead a game in  rebounding(which u never seein HD).

Ah.  I forgot.  Your big man speed obsession.

Posted by girt25 on 2/12/2011 11:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/12/2011 8:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/12/2011 8:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gillispie on 2/12/2011 5:20:00 AM (view original):
grant, you are right, it is ridiculous that you are qualified for 0 positions. the job process is really ****** and seble seems to agree. i think he is working on it for the next release though :)

Agreed, and this is a different issue that has been around for years -- that not enough schools are listed as "qualified" by Simmy.

But that's also because we're getting caught up in the word "qualified". Very often if a coach does well at a low/mid DI school, other schools in better conferences and/or w. better baseline (and thus a higher ceiling) are listed as step backwards, etc. The bottom line is if you think that one of these is a good move, just make it, it doesn't matter what Simmy says.

The question remains though, why am I "not qualified" at any schools with equal prestige or higher?  I wouldn't be able t o be qualified at my own school.

The reason you're not eligible for better jobs is that they primarily use a four-season window, and you only have one good season in your last four. (I understand that you took over for a sim, etc, but that's the honest answer to your question.)

That makes even less sense.  Taking over the worst D-1 school I could find(intentionally) and turning it into C+ prestige is pretty good over a 4 year stretch. 

Going over .500 at a D- prestige school is enough to be exceeding expectations pretty much anywhere.  Instead I'm "meeting expectations" by taking them to the tournament and winning my conference and am not even qualified to coach at my own school.

Why are you such an apologist for this garbage?

Posted by grantduck on 2/19/2011 11:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/12/2011 11:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/12/2011 8:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/12/2011 8:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gillispie on 2/12/2011 5:20:00 AM (view original):
grant, you are right, it is ridiculous that you are qualified for 0 positions. the job process is really ****** and seble seems to agree. i think he is working on it for the next release though :)

Agreed, and this is a different issue that has been around for years -- that not enough schools are listed as "qualified" by Simmy.

But that's also because we're getting caught up in the word "qualified". Very often if a coach does well at a low/mid DI school, other schools in better conferences and/or w. better baseline (and thus a higher ceiling) are listed as step backwards, etc. The bottom line is if you think that one of these is a good move, just make it, it doesn't matter what Simmy says.

The question remains though, why am I "not qualified" at any schools with equal prestige or higher?  I wouldn't be able t o be qualified at my own school.

The reason you're not eligible for better jobs is that they primarily use a four-season window, and you only have one good season in your last four. (I understand that you took over for a sim, etc, but that's the honest answer to your question.)

That makes even less sense.  Taking over the worst D-1 school I could find(intentionally) and turning it into C+ prestige is pretty good over a 4 year stretch. 

Going over .500 at a D- prestige school is enough to be exceeding expectations pretty much anywhere.  Instead I'm "meeting expectations" by taking them to the tournament and winning my conference and am not even qualified to coach at my own school.

Why are you such an apologist for this garbage?

If you're calling me a WIS apologist, then you've either never been to the forums before, or we need to get some reading comprehension drills going.

More to the point, I'm not necessarily defending their system, I'm explaining to you how it works. Your initial complaint was tied to the fact that you thought your school's current prestige should be tied into the prestige of the other jobs you were qualified for. It's not, for good reason, and I explained why.

If your issue is that Simmy doesn't list enough jobs as "qualified", yes, I wholeheartedly agree. But you simply need to look past "qualified" and if there's a job that's a clear step up and you want it, just take it, it doesn't matter if Simmy considers it lateral or beneath you, etc.

You took an 11-win sim team and in your first three seasons won 7, 15 and 16 games in a weak conference w. mostly sims, with an overall losing record and not even a PIT appearance. Honestly, any semi-competent human coach could've done that. You had a very solid fourth season, which I give you credit for, but do I think you've done enough to deserve a significant promotion? No, not in my opinion. Others may disagree. One more comparable season and I would change my mind on that -- and at that point, I believe our friend Simmy would agree.

Posted by girt25 on 2/20/2011 12:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/19/2011 11:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/12/2011 11:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/12/2011 8:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/12/2011 8:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gillispie on 2/12/2011 5:20:00 AM (view original):
grant, you are right, it is ridiculous that you are qualified for 0 positions. the job process is really ****** and seble seems to agree. i think he is working on it for the next release though :)

Agreed, and this is a different issue that has been around for years -- that not enough schools are listed as "qualified" by Simmy.

But that's also because we're getting caught up in the word "qualified". Very often if a coach does well at a low/mid DI school, other schools in better conferences and/or w. better baseline (and thus a higher ceiling) are listed as step backwards, etc. The bottom line is if you think that one of these is a good move, just make it, it doesn't matter what Simmy says.

The question remains though, why am I "not qualified" at any schools with equal prestige or higher?  I wouldn't be able t o be qualified at my own school.

The reason you're not eligible for better jobs is that they primarily use a four-season window, and you only have one good season in your last four. (I understand that you took over for a sim, etc, but that's the honest answer to your question.)

That makes even less sense.  Taking over the worst D-1 school I could find(intentionally) and turning it into C+ prestige is pretty good over a 4 year stretch. 

Going over .500 at a D- prestige school is enough to be exceeding expectations pretty much anywhere.  Instead I'm "meeting expectations" by taking them to the tournament and winning my conference and am not even qualified to coach at my own school.

Why are you such an apologist for this garbage?

If you're calling me a WIS apologist, then you've either never been to the forums before, or we need to get some reading comprehension drills going.

More to the point, I'm not necessarily defending their system, I'm explaining to you how it works. Your initial complaint was tied to the fact that you thought your school's current prestige should be tied into the prestige of the other jobs you were qualified for. It's not, for good reason, and I explained why.

If your issue is that Simmy doesn't list enough jobs as "qualified", yes, I wholeheartedly agree. But you simply need to look past "qualified" and if there's a job that's a clear step up and you want it, just take it, it doesn't matter if Simmy considers it lateral or beneath you, etc.

You took an 11-win sim team and in your first three seasons won 7, 15 and 16 games in a weak conference w. mostly sims, with an overall losing record and not even a PIT appearance. Honestly, any semi-competent human coach could've done that. You had a very solid fourth season, which I give you credit for, but do I think you've done enough to deserve a significant promotion? No, not in my opinion. Others may disagree. One more comparable season and I would change my mind on that -- and at that point, I believe our friend Simmy would agree.

-D-II and D-III resume doesn't count at all?
-The conference wasn't primarily sims when I got there, most of the teams had human coaches and/or human recruited players. 
-I literally took the worst team I could find in D-1 with all SIM recruited players.  I didn't have my own roster until this past season.
More importantly, think of it in real  life  terms.  A coach comes to a school with little/no winning history and takes them to 3 winning records and a tournament bid in 4 years.  In the real world, that coach generally has a few offers here and there to move up.  We can debate coaching quality that till the cows come home but I'd rather not, so I'll get to the more important point.

The biggest issue, which was the point of the thread, and you still haven't addressed, is that I'm not qualified to coach at MY OWN SCHOOL, which I raised the prestige at over a full grade.  I'm not qualified to coach at ANY schools that have equal prestige to mine.  That makes no sense whatsoever.  I'm not complaining about not being qualified to coach a top 25 school, it's that I can't even make a lateral move.  I have "no shot" at ANY  equal prestige positions.

Yes, I agree that's a failing in the sim logic. No question. For you not to be qualified for your own school that you clearly elevated from their previous position is just silly.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but here's the reason-

What the sim sees:
22-8, NT Bid, RPI 52
16-13 RPI 96
15-13 RPI 132
7-20 RPI 264

I'm pretty certain the fourth season back is the killer- as stupid as that logic is.  If you were fired today, the sim doesn't see you as taking over a bad school, it just sees a combined record of 60-54, with one postseason bid in four seasons.  Yes, a bit more goes to the most recent, but it's the way the program is written.

Posted by asher413 on 2/20/2011 9:59:00 PM (view original):
I'm not saying you're wrong, but here's the reason-

What the sim sees:
22-8, NT Bid, RPI 52
16-13 RPI 96
15-13 RPI 132
7-20 RPI 264

I'm pretty certain the fourth season back is the killer- as stupid as that logic is.  If you were fired today, the sim doesn't see you as taking over a bad school, it just sees a combined record of 60-54, with one postseason bid in four seasons.  Yes, a bit more goes to the most recent, but it's the way the program is written.

Thanks.