Bogus Seeding Topic

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Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/27/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Example of losing to great teams should not be rewarded. This team made the NT with 16-12 record, and is 1-10 vs teams in T50 RPI, 1-2 vs teams 50-100. Personally I don't think he should be in the NT but that's just how the system works. RPI and SOS are bad ways to look at how you should be seeded, especially when the high SOS is achieved by losing to great teams. 

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Schedule.aspx?tid=12590
See VCU. Haha
I think you are supporting my point.
3/27/2011 6:24 PM
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Posted by tkimble on 3/27/2011 5:36:00 PM (view original):
I'd say a win @ #12 RPI is a quality win.  I'd say 6 is probably a little low, but again not outrageous, especially when your RPI out-performed your games.  As stated before you were 7-9 vs. top 100 teams (post-season teams) and you lost early in your CT.  I would have guessed a 4 or 5 seed, but I can see why they gave you a 6.
I agree with this. I could maybe see a slightly better seed, but it's not a tremendous injustice.

neverlose, you're getting too caught up in rpi and sos as the end-all, be-all.
3/27/2011 6:25 PM
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/27/2011 6:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/27/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Example of losing to great teams should not be rewarded. This team made the NT with 16-12 record, and is 1-10 vs teams in T50 RPI, 1-2 vs teams 50-100. Personally I don't think he should be in the NT but that's just how the system works. RPI and SOS are bad ways to look at how you should be seeded, especially when the high SOS is achieved by losing to great teams. 

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Schedule.aspx?tid=12590
See VCU. Haha
I think you are supporting my point.
I'm neither supporting nor arguing. I'm just stating that was the same thing that they said about VCU this year and they're in the final 4.
3/27/2011 6:25 PM
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Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
How about my 9 seed with a 23-6 record and 23 rpi? Started out the season with 3 losses, then turned it around pretty well, going 2-2 against the rpi top 6, including a 7 point home win against a 1 seed and an 11 point win on the road against a 3 seed. I know our conference isn't that strong, but going 16-0 during the conference slate should still be worth something. I'm not saying I should have been an elite seed, but I still think 9 is a little low. I was fully expecting a 6.
I think you have a legitimate gripe about being underseeded. Obviously, you got dragged down in conf against those 1-26, 4-24 teams. I mean, comon, what's the difference between a 1-26 and a 10-17 team, or even a 13-14 simai team for that matter? All three will get obliterated by a quality human controlled team but the first one kills your sos and rpi, and really drags down your seeding. 
3/27/2011 6:27 PM
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Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
How about my 9 seed with a 23-6 record and 23 rpi? Started out the season with 3 losses, then turned it around pretty well, going 2-2 against the rpi top 6, including a 7 point home win against a 1 seed and an 11 point win on the road against a 3 seed. I know our conference isn't that strong, but going 16-0 during the conference slate should still be worth something. I'm not saying I should have been an elite seed, but I still think 9 is a little low. I was fully expecting a 6.
Agree with Bill. I still had several good wins and played some good teams and really didn't get blown out. It seems the CT is the only thing that matters. Even if you win 14-16 games but lose in the 1st round, you will get screwed by the committee. And I did beat some teams that did very well against other elite D2 squads.
3/27/2011 6:28 PM
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Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/27/2011 6:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/27/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Example of losing to great teams should not be rewarded. This team made the NT with 16-12 record, and is 1-10 vs teams in T50 RPI, 1-2 vs teams 50-100. Personally I don't think he should be in the NT but that's just how the system works. RPI and SOS are bad ways to look at how you should be seeded, especially when the high SOS is achieved by losing to great teams. 

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Schedule.aspx?tid=12590
See VCU. Haha
I think you are supporting my point.
I'm neither supporting nor arguing. I'm just stating that was the same thing that they said about VCU this year and they're in the final 4.
bill, I don't even think that VCU is analagous. They didn't lose to a ton of great teams like in tianyi's example. 
3/27/2011 6:29 PM
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Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/27/2011 6:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/27/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Example of losing to great teams should not be rewarded. This team made the NT with 16-12 record, and is 1-10 vs teams in T50 RPI, 1-2 vs teams 50-100. Personally I don't think he should be in the NT but that's just how the system works. RPI and SOS are bad ways to look at how you should be seeded, especially when the high SOS is achieved by losing to great teams. 

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Schedule.aspx?tid=12590
See VCU. Haha
I think you are supporting my point.
I'm neither supporting nor arguing. I'm just stating that was the same thing that they said about VCU this year and they're in the final 4.
I didn't follow the prebracket analysis that much but whoever argue this about VCU is kind of dumb. VCU got majors wins against UCLA, ODU, and George Mason. 
3/27/2011 6:29 PM
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Posted by girt25 on 3/27/2011 6:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tkimble on 3/27/2011 5:36:00 PM (view original):
I'd say a win @ #12 RPI is a quality win.  I'd say 6 is probably a little low, but again not outrageous, especially when your RPI out-performed your games.  As stated before you were 7-9 vs. top 100 teams (post-season teams) and you lost early in your CT.  I would have guessed a 4 or 5 seed, but I can see why they gave you a 6.
I agree with this. I could maybe see a slightly better seed, but it's not a tremendous injustice.

neverlose, you're getting too caught up in rpi and sos as the end-all, be-all.
I scheduled it tough for that reason; so my numbers might be higher and improve my chances to get a better seed.  All I'm really saying is that many teams ahead of me should not be there.
3/27/2011 6:30 PM
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Posted by ineverlose on 3/27/2011 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
How about my 9 seed with a 23-6 record and 23 rpi? Started out the season with 3 losses, then turned it around pretty well, going 2-2 against the rpi top 6, including a 7 point home win against a 1 seed and an 11 point win on the road against a 3 seed. I know our conference isn't that strong, but going 16-0 during the conference slate should still be worth something. I'm not saying I should have been an elite seed, but I still think 9 is a little low. I was fully expecting a 6.
Agree with Bill. I still had several good wins and played some good teams and really didn't get blown out. It seems the CT is the only thing that matters. Even if you win 14-16 games but lose in the 1st round, you will get screwed by the committee. And I did beat some teams that did very well against other elite D2 squads.
I think the overriding point is that the absolute most you might've argued for is a 4/5, and you got a 6. And even that would've been a two-sided argument, not a slam dunk.That's just not an enormous injustice (and certainly not thread-worthy by any means, lol). At absolute worst you were underseeded by a spot or two, and even that is pretty debatable, as you see by the various responses.
3/27/2011 6:31 PM
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Posted by girt25 on 3/27/2011 6:31:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ineverlose on 3/27/2011 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
How about my 9 seed with a 23-6 record and 23 rpi? Started out the season with 3 losses, then turned it around pretty well, going 2-2 against the rpi top 6, including a 7 point home win against a 1 seed and an 11 point win on the road against a 3 seed. I know our conference isn't that strong, but going 16-0 during the conference slate should still be worth something. I'm not saying I should have been an elite seed, but I still think 9 is a little low. I was fully expecting a 6.
Agree with Bill. I still had several good wins and played some good teams and really didn't get blown out. It seems the CT is the only thing that matters. Even if you win 14-16 games but lose in the 1st round, you will get screwed by the committee. And I did beat some teams that did very well against other elite D2 squads.
I think the overriding point is that the absolute most you might've argued for is a 4/5, and you got a 6. And even that would've been a two-sided argument, not a slam dunk.That's just not an enormous injustice (and certainly not thread-worthy by any means, lol). At absolute worst you were underseeded by a spot or two, and even that is pretty debatable, as you see by the various responses.
Well its way the teams are seeded then. I was just putting it out there cause I was fully expecting to get 3/4.  If I would have won 1 more game against Tampa, I bet that makes all the difference in the world, plus playing the #1 team again.
3/27/2011 6:34 PM
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/27/2011 6:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by billscnb on 3/27/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
How about my 9 seed with a 23-6 record and 23 rpi? Started out the season with 3 losses, then turned it around pretty well, going 2-2 against the rpi top 6, including a 7 point home win against a 1 seed and an 11 point win on the road against a 3 seed. I know our conference isn't that strong, but going 16-0 during the conference slate should still be worth something. I'm not saying I should have been an elite seed, but I still think 9 is a little low. I was fully expecting a 6.
I think you have a legitimate gripe about being underseeded. Obviously, you got dragged down in conf against those 1-26, 4-24 teams. I mean, comon, what's the difference between a 1-26 and a 10-17 team, or even a 13-14 simai team for that matter? All three will get obliterated by a quality human controlled team but the first one kills your sos and rpi, and really drags down your seeding. 
I wouldn't have started a topic about it, but since we were talking about it, I thought I would throw it out there. About a week ago I thought the worst seed I would get was an 8, then I won out until the CT game against the 2nd most athletic team in D2. But like Butler and VCU have proven in real life, all that matters is being in and winning the games you play.
3/27/2011 6:40 PM
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i think i played a tougher schedule then you an have a worse sos
3/27/2011 6:54 PM
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actually i was wrong we both played exactly the same amount of teams that had an rpi 100 or under.  and i have a 67 sos.  but it is a tough draw u got
3/27/2011 6:56 PM
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Posted by brip87 on 3/27/2011 6:56:00 PM (view original):
actually i was wrong we both played exactly the same amount of teams that had an rpi 100 or under.  and i have a 67 sos.  but it is a tough draw u got

Tough draw I got? LMAO all you got is being in the number 1 conference in RPI. And you still didn't get decent numbers anyway.
Cant wait to see this beatdown coming. 
 

3/27/2011 7:12 PM
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lol i prolly will get beatdown.
3/27/2011 7:18 PM
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