Posted by johnsensing on 4/6/2011 5:53:00 PM (view original):
as the connecticut coach whose team was linked by kujayhawk above, i agree with him completely.  I think its ridiculous that i'm at A+ prestige (and posted that on my conference corner before recruiting began) -- in my opinion, in DIII, you shouldn't be able to get to A+ unless there's a final 4 in there somewhere.

I think ur school record is borderline, but on the right side of the line imo. Stevenson should be at A-, or maybe an A at best. A+????

I knew most-recent season was the most heavily weighted, but after looking at a few of these and comparing them to my Hamline, I can only conclude the most-recent season matters *way* more than I thought. FWIW, Hamline is now an "A" in Tark after a down season of 23-7 (Conf. Champ, CT champ, NT (1st rd)) and 45 RPI. The four prior seasons (as I think I heard somewhere prestige is dictated by most recent 5 seasons at D3):

27-4 (Conf. Champ, CT champ, NT (2nd rd)) RPI: 15, Ranked 12
33-2 (Conf. Champ, CT champ, NT (Championship Game)) RPI: 4, Ranked 2
30-5 (Conf. Champ, CT champ, NT (Championship Game)) RPI: 9, Ranked 2
24-7 (Conf. Champ, CT champ, NT (2nd rd)) RPI: 38

Not saying back-to-back deep runs should keep the prestige up forever, but man the honeymoon ends quick. The guys I recruited based off the deep runs are still in school!

Agreed zbrent.  Although the thing that I think is standing out is that certain criteria need to be met and if you hit the threshold you get a silly boost and if you miss it you might be out of luck regardless of prior success.  Here's an example that I thought was ok at the time when it happened to me but now looks a bit silly in comparison to the Illinois squad.

Here's my Phelan resume compared to Illinois. www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=14588

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	Prestige	Notes
47	pnedwek	21-9	8-3	11-4	2-2	14-2		29	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
46	cjwolf	29-2	10-0	16-1	3-1	16-0	10	15	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
45	cjwolf	27-4	9-2	14-1	4-1	16-0	15	10	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
44	cjwolf	26-5	11-1	12-2	3-2	16-0	19	14	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	Prestige	Notes
15	kujayhawk	19-9	7-1	12-6	0-2	15-1		23	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
14	kujayhawk	31-4	7-1	16-2	8-1	14-2	1	1	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
13	kujayhawk	32-3	9-0	14-3	9-0	15-1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
12	kujayhawk	26-6	7-2	15-2	4-2	14-2	14	10	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)

I think most would look at my season 15 and pnedwek's season 47 and determine that they are just about equal.  But I'm guessing the Sim sees a gigantic difference in the 20 win barrier.  So pnedwek keeps the A+ despite the 1st round NT flameout.  I lose my A+ prestige despite having what I would consider to be a significant higher level of achievement in the past three seasons.  (And to reiterate, I'm not really complaining about my team per se.  It seemed fine to drop to A at the time but looking at these other teams, it just seems weird.)

If I had to guess, Blackburn doesn't go from missing the tournament two seasons prior to A+ if they make the Elite 8 with 29 wins with a RPI of 6 or 7.  But since Blackburn gets to 30 and a RPI of 5 it jumps to A+.

Stevenson missed the NT two of the prior three seasons but jumps to A+ even without the 30 wins or Elite 8 showing.  But they had a top 5 RPI and therefore rebounding from the PI Final Four the season prior to A+ prestige.

But even I'm struggling to figure out how Mary Washington made it to A+ the season prior.  Other than top 10 RPI, they had none of the those nice round numbers that I think are being emphasized and at the time of A+ promotion had missed the NT in two of the four season prestige cycle.

Yeah, after looking at that, this is definitely something that seble needs to look at.  I know a lot of people don't care about D2/D3, and prestige matters less, but it seems so off that I think it should be fixed.

Did seble adjust this recently to give more weight to the most recent season?  Wooden updated with some weird results, too.  I just don't remember it being like this.

Are we sure 20 games is the barrier? This team is 18-10 and maintained his A+, after a 1st round NT knockout.
http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=3872

I'm one of the weird results in Wooden. I had a great season and earned a 1 seed but went out in the 2nd round of the tourney and jumped from A- to A+, even I know I don't deserve an A+ prestige based on the team's history

ike, I imagine not being ranked is the big issue in your example.

Posted by tianyi7886 on 4/8/2011 10:37:00 AM (view original):
Are we sure 20 games is the barrier? This team is 18-10 and maintained his A+, after a 1st round NT knockout.
http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=3872

Wow.  I *really* don't get that team being at A+ prestige.

I made up the 20 game barrier simply because I really don't understand how I went from back-to-back #1 RPI national championships to an A prestige.  It was the only thing that made sense.

I originally thought it was the 1st round flameout in the NT that caused the A prestige to drop.  But that got ruled out in seeing all these other teams losing in the 1st round of the NT that keep A+ prestige.  It wasn't my 23 RPI because even though that's pretty weak for a A+ team, there are several A+ teams that are worse.

The one thing that my A prestige team "had" that the others didn't was a lack of a 20 win season.  But your example of the 18 win team shoots that theory as well.

And honestly I'm just confused at this point.  My team had more wins, a better RPI, and the same NT result.  But somehow it drops to A after national titles the two seasons prior while this team keeps the A+ prestige after making one final four.

My example is old but at the same the release notes indicate zero changes to how prestige is being calculated so it should still be a relevant example.  If it is not relevant, that means there has been an unpublished change -- and it really seems like that has to have happened, no?

By the way, I'm really not trying to complain about "my team" but I do think it just happens to be the best example of how things aren't adding up.

Your team was 30 seasons back. Prestige was probably factored differently back then?

Posted by tianyi7886 on 4/8/2011 3:10:00 PM (view original):
Your team was 30 seasons back. Prestige was probably factored differently back then?

Maybe.

According the (lack of ) release notes, it wasn't factored differently then compared to now.

Sure seems like something has changed, but if so it has not been announced.

and no offense to this coach, but this one has baffled me too Ithaca in Smith - www.wisjournal.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx

great last season, but the 3 previous are not so great.

Anyone sent a ticket on this yet?