I need explanation of TOC Topic

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Maybe the teams in the TOC who built their team even more perfectly with a decent amount of plate appearances along with quality have the best shot at winning. 
11/3/2011 1:22 PM
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Posted by chisox378 on 11/3/2011 12:46:00 PM (view original):
so its a double loss elimination? The TOC seems really neat. Who thinks of these things?
You know, it's funny.  I actually thought of it first, but I didn't say anything except to my wife who doesn't play and wasn't listening anyway.

A similar thing happened when I thought up the Internet, but that time I told Al Gore and he took all the credit.

Al did the same thing when I came up with the idea for that whole global warming thing.  We're not really friends anymore.
11/3/2011 3:45 PM
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Posted by Bilfert on 11/2/2011 7:07:00 PM (view original):
You get put in the T.O.C., you get hammered with the craziest fatigue system you have ever seen. You lose in the first round and then you wonder what happened.

Seriously though you will see the humor and irony after playing a few.  Few wise men have figured out the TOC, and even they will say that they were lucky.  You need a mountain of pitching to get through the tournament.
Sums up my experience...
11/3/2011 3:56 PM
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Posted by rbow923 on 11/3/2011 12:19:00 AM (view original):
Posted by brianjw on 11/2/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
What crimsonblue said is right. If there's any danger of elimination, and in a 5 game series there is as soon as you lose a game, you throw everything you've got at winning that round. It's not totally random, but it is random enough that you should prioritise getting to the next round well over having your best team ready for that round. 
I have the opposite approach. if I lose round 1 it's no big loss. It's much worse to win a few rounds and then lose because of fatigue. I like to give my players adequate rest in the early rounds, then if I advance far enough I have a good chance to win the whole thing.
I agree.  I have won 2 TOCs and finished second once and that is exactly my strategy.
11/4/2011 10:51 PM
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Posted by chisox378 on 11/3/2011 1:22:00 PM (view original):
Maybe the teams in the TOC who built their team even more perfectly with a decent amount of plate appearances along with quality have the best shot at winning. 
people don't normally build their teams for the TOC. a lot of people build their teams for the playoffs and in some ways that is the opposite of TOC strategy. even people who do have enough stamina will lose some of it at the transaction deadline. it's ironic, building the perfect TOC team would reduce your chances of ever getting there.
11/5/2011 10:14 AM (edited)
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So what you are saying is that there cannot be a team that is built both for the regular season, playoffs, and TOC?  Winning in the regular season and playoffs can be managed but when it comes to the TOC it is more based on luck?  It seems like the TOC is a mystery yet to be solved.

11/5/2011 11:49 AM
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I have 13 pitchers and 2234 IP.  I guess I should back my SP down on their targeted IP per game ? 85-90 per ?

If my memory serves me .. skunk206 & elbirdo have quite a few TOC appearances and TOC championships.  So someone has it figured out.
11/5/2011 6:51 PM
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Posted by chisox378 on 11/5/2011 11:49:00 AM (view original):

So what you are saying is that there cannot be a team that is built both for the regular season, playoffs, and TOC?  Winning in the regular season and playoffs can be managed but when it comes to the TOC it is more based on luck?  It seems like the TOC is a mystery yet to be solved.

I don't think the TOC is more based on luck.  There is some randomness in a 7 game series (and a bit more so in a 5 game series), but there is less luck involved than most people think.
11/5/2011 9:00 PM
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Is the TOC a double elimination ?
11/6/2011 1:42 PM
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Posted by rmarshall on 11/6/2011 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Is the TOC a double elimination ?
No.
11/6/2011 1:48 PM
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While I've only won one TOC despite making it to the finals three times, but from my experience, unless your players have close to 700 PAs, fatigue will probably hit you pretty hard, right after the first game.  Your priority for each round should be focused on winning THAT round and pulling out all the stops to try to get it done and forget about the next round until you get there. Even if it takes rolling out Milacki or Jack McDowell in game 2 of the first round.
11/6/2011 3:14 PM
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Posted by rbow923 on 11/3/2011 12:19:00 AM (view original):
Posted by brianjw on 11/2/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
What crimsonblue said is right. If there's any danger of elimination, and in a 5 game series there is as soon as you lose a game, you throw everything you've got at winning that round. It's not totally random, but it is random enough that you should prioritise getting to the next round well over having your best team ready for that round. 
I have the opposite approach. if I lose round 1 it's no big loss. It's much worse to win a few rounds and then lose because of fatigue. I like to give my players adequate rest in the early rounds, then if I advance far enough I have a good chance to win the whole thing.
My thinking as well.  I'll often play scrubs the first game -- if I lose the first round, it doesn't matter, but if I continue on that game of rest could be a difference maker.
11/6/2011 6:04 PM
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But if you lose in the first round then your out of contention to win it all.  Are we getting confused bewtween the first game of the first round of a series and the first round of the TOC?
11/6/2011 6:19 PM
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If you tire out all your best players to win the first round, you're also (for all intents and purposes) out of contention to win it all.
11/6/2011 6:28 PM
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Will there be AAA and/or WW ?  Are there DH or not ?  It seems highly unlikely that even the majority of your players will have close to 700 PA.
11/6/2011 6:30 PM
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