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sergei91
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i think i know what spudpicker's (and now a_ersberg's) talking about. i see guys who have enough time in to be free agents (but who have never been above aaa) who are not great but ask to be paid like good mlers and then go unsigned because their contract demands are ridiculous.
i don't think they're referring to type a's or type b's necessarily. i'm not.
11/15/2011 9:31 AM
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I'll explain that.   BEFORE they created tryout camp position players, you had to fill out your minors by signing your draft picks.   A 29 y/o who might be the 28th man on your roster isn't worth 1.5m a year.   So, rather than continuing to bring back retreads for 1m to fill out your minors, you'd sign your draft picks.  NOW that's unnecessary.  Under the old system, if FA would drop their demands to minor league, worlds would eventually run out of position players because owners would keep bringing back that 30 y/o players for 54k(and keep him on the 40 man so he couldn't go FA again) until he became useless.   At the cost of that, draft picks would go unsigned in order to save that 175k you'd pay for 6 position players for a single IFA. 

I'm saddened by the fact that sometimes people just don't realize what they asked for and WifS doesn't recognize what they've given them. 
11/15/2011 9:32 AM
sergei91
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Posted by deanod on 11/14/2011 6:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/14/2011 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Don't care about compensation.   I care about really good players signing minor league deals because no one wants to lose a pick.
Yeah, that would be retarded.

You'd have people just waiting for ST to end to hawk a bunch of decent players for nothing and stash them in AAA.  Would be very gay.

I feel like it's more reasonable to regress everybody to the ML minimum around the draft or so.  And for career minor league players to not demand 4/16 contracts.
' And for career minor league players to not demand 4/16 contracts.'

these are the guys i'm talking about
11/15/2011 9:32 AM
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They aren't that important to a team if they were let go at 29 in order to make room for a younger player on the 40.   This is a "cake and eat it too" scenario.  If you're cutting the guy loose, he doesn't have that much value.   Let him retire and bring in younger players.  Because, if you don't, your world will run out of position players.   Except not now because of tryout camp.  

However, it does devalue building depth.   Because, if you don't bother with it, you can alway swoop in after ST and sign a bunch of AAAA players for a minor league salary.   And that is retarded. 

11/15/2011 9:40 AM
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Tie it in to DITR.

I would suggest that tryout camp players and IFA's (both position and pitchers) be ineligible for DITR boosts.  Only draftees would be eligible for DITR boosts.  Also, make the number of DITR's that you can get dependent upon the number of draft picks you sign from the 6th round and later.  Roughly one DITR for every four 6th round and later player you sign.  Sign all 20 players from 6th through 25th, you get 5 DITR's.  Only sign your 6th-10th round guys, you only get one.  Don;t sign anybody beyond the 5th round, you get zilch.
11/15/2011 9:57 AM
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Shorten the draft as the late rounds are now irrelevant.  I'd suggest 5 rounds but 10 would be fine too.    Send undrafted players to the tryout camp rather than have them magically appear.
11/15/2011 10:00 AM
sergei91
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agreed
11/15/2011 10:31 AM
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DITR should actually be players who go from avg prospects to someone who can actually help your major league club. Not guys going for low to AA prospects.
I also feel that coaches should be able to be signed to multiple year contracts so that your organization has some continuity.So far every time I build up my defense the fielding instructor goes FA or when my pitching starts to improve , there goes my pitching coach out the door.
11/15/2011 11:29 AM
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This has been discussed in the past (ad nauseum, even), but the lack of an even distribution with coaches is absolutely maddening. When can we expect that a 70-fielding IQ fielding coach will no longer garner a $6,000,000 contract (http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/CoachProfile.aspx?cid=401970) because he is the best available during open coach hiring? I am fine with there only being a few "top" guys available, but it seems to me there should be a relatively even distribution of serviceable options, operating on a bell curve or something similar.
11/15/2011 11:39 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/15/2011 10:00:00 AM (view original):
Shorten the draft as the late rounds are now irrelevant.  I'd suggest 5 rounds but 10 would be fine too.    Send undrafted players to the tryout camp rather than have them magically appear.
That is a good idea.
11/15/2011 12:07 PM
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Posted by jmarino2 on 11/15/2011 11:29:00 AM (view original):
DITR should actually be players who go from avg prospects to someone who can actually help your major league club. Not guys going for low to AA prospects.
I also feel that coaches should be able to be signed to multiple year contracts so that your organization has some continuity.So far every time I build up my defense the fielding instructor goes FA or when my pitching starts to improve , there goes my pitching coach out the door.
I saw 2 or 3 DITRs in one of my world's recent batch that can be solid ML starters. I'd prefer to see what the new DITR update looks after a few seasons than tweak it again so soon.

I also like the idea of multiple-year contracts for coaches, though.
11/15/2011 12:18 PM
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Something, either ending worlds at a certain season or merging worlds that take too long to fill, needs to be done about so many worlds. I like the idea of say after 25 or 30 seasons, a world would merge with another and have only committed owners. The history would stay the same, player wise, but the teams would all be reorganized. I think two worlds should merge together and join a "new world" in S1. And if there aren't 32 committed owners to be joined together, create new teams etc. I know I'm making no sense right now but I think that would make worlds more competitive and not have so many openings. And there wouldn't be a huge uproar if this is known before hand to all owners.
11/15/2011 12:22 PM
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Merging worlds is a "whatever" to me.  But ending worlds at Season X makes no sense.   Owners in a 20 year old world who know it ends after 25 will stop with prospects and go all out to win.    Or just drop the world because they know they can't win with what they have. 
11/15/2011 12:28 PM
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Posted by soxfan_9 on 11/15/2011 12:22:00 PM (view original):
Something, either ending worlds at a certain season or merging worlds that take too long to fill, needs to be done about so many worlds. I like the idea of say after 25 or 30 seasons, a world would merge with another and have only committed owners. The history would stay the same, player wise, but the teams would all be reorganized. I think two worlds should merge together and join a "new world" in S1. And if there aren't 32 committed owners to be joined together, create new teams etc. I know I'm making no sense right now but I think that would make worlds more competitive and not have so many openings. And there wouldn't be a huge uproar if this is known before hand to all owners.
I think a world should be merged/cancelled if it has 10+ openings for more than 4 weeks.  although it would really suck for those that are committed to the world.  It's funny people in these world constantly complain about WIS not advertising enough..  Even if they tripled their advertising it wouldnt immediatley fill the private worlds. Most private worlds are hesitant to allow new owners..
11/15/2011 12:49 PM
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You're close sergei, I mostly think there are some decent borderline ML players that go unsigned and I'd sign them for the ML minimum, but the least they may end up costing is 1 mill (and then prorated throughout the season).  These are guys I'd certainly rather sign than bringing up a guy from AAA to fill out my roster.

I just don't see the point in having even Type A or Type B guys continue to ask for anything other than the minimum if they aren't getting signed for even 500k.  In the ML if a guy isn't getting a ML contract, he'll sign a minor league deal to at the VERY LEAST keep his skills solid and hope to get a call up if someone goes down.

Sorry if guys don't want the game to reflect reality a bit more and improve gameplay, but if you're into Moneyball at all, you'd think that replacement level players at the minimum salary (or close to it) would be an interesting part of the game. 
11/15/2011 12:59 PM
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