Posted by Rails on 12/14/2011 10:34:00 AM (view original):
I'd like us to be able to add an option for hold ball as oppsoed to being automatic at 1:00.  A lot of times coaches do that at 2 or 3 minutes.  Slowdown helps do that but for the FB teams it doesn't.  I'd like an option to milk a 5 point lead with two or three minutes...some may choose not to, but at least that's what I'd like to have an option for.  Tianyi, tough loss.  I personally thought the 5 second posession was more strange than the shot being taken at :15 or :07. 

Wow, I didn't read the PBP closely enough.  Yeah, that's just stupid.

Posted by milkamania on 12/14/2011 10:43:00 AM (view original):
There's a thousand extra options we can ask to be put into the game, it's not realistic to micromanage every single second of every possession.  What if the guy at 7 seconds was wide open with no one around him.  Is he supposed to pull back and pass off so a guard can rush a bad shot 4 seconds later just so you don't give up an extra possession??    It's not uncommon at all for an offense to start the last possession around 10 seconds so there is a chance for a tip, rebound, foul is there is a miss, etc.  Maybe the guard drove at 10 seconds, saw an open man, dished and he hit the shot.  You should be screaming at the defense for giving up a game winner on the other end.
BTW I was actually going to agree with you until you said 7 seconds was the early part.  I'd have a bigger issue with the guy taking the shot at 15 seconds, but as you see, it did give you the extra opportunity.  If the shot at 7 seconds was missed and then there was an offensive rebound or tip and you won at the buzzer, I'm sure you'd have been OK with what happened.

Sure, if things happened the way your hypothetical did, I would be happy with it but not ok with the logic.

"What if the guy at 7 seconds was wide open with no one around him" - how is this even possible? So there is no on ball defender?

Doesn't need every option and micromanage the play by play down to each second, but a general last shot option should be included. For example, a box in the play by play for :

- Play clock off, down by 2 or less, hold for last shot.

You check this option, your team will initiate the final shot possession around the 5-7 second mark (pg or whatever shooter with the ball at the top of the key, starts dribbling in), with the shot taken around the 2-3 second mark.

The final possession for my team makes no sense.

For what it's worth tianyi, I'm in favor of taking the first good shot available regardless of the time on the clock so that you can foul if there is a miss.

To answer your question about how it is possible there is no on ball defender, the PBP did say great pass.  Something like a pick and roll that created the free look?  It doesn't appear he created his own shot.

And since the thread title is end of game logic, I'll bring up my pet peeve of being down by a bucket and the opponent has the ball with 40 seconds and my defense is perfectly fine to let the go into the hold ball strategy.  I want to foul rather than get the ball back with 3-4 seconds.  I actually don't think it matters a whole lot because in the sim it seems like you can get a shot off in 3-4 seconds without too much trouble.  But in real life the thought that you let a shot go at 5 seconds hoping to get the rebound with 3 seconds and go all the way down the court in 2 seconds is silly.

I'm fine with that option Tianyi, but it would have to come with logic built in that the player taking the shot has a negative rating somehow.  Have you even seen an offense run that frantic last few seconds and get a wide open shot?? Once in a while maybe, but realistically, there are taking a below average shot just to make sure there is no time left.  So, for the engine to guarantee no time left, the shot would have to come with a penalty. 

As for how is it possible for a guy to be wide open with no one around him, you obviously didn't watch any Knicks games last year, but coming from a Knick fan, it's easy to leave guys wide open. 

Jay, you can intentionally foul down one....in a setting currently...