Are we sure the baseline prestige's are correct Topic

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1/11/2012 4:40 PM     stinenavy
There's a small issue some are having regarding what the baseline
prestige is of various D1 schools. Can you please provide me with the full list.

Thanks,
Stine

1/11/2012 4:55 PM     Customer Support
Thanks for the note. I'm not following what you are asking exactly.

1/11/2012 5:03 PM     stinenavy
Every school in D1 has a baseline prestige, meaning a starting point.
For example schools like Kentucky and Duke would be at A+, while schools
in the Southland conference or Mideastern conference would start with a
D or something.

Obviously their current prestige is based on how the school and
conference perform, but the question is what is the full listing of
what every school starts out with. Often referred to as the "baseline".

1/12/2012 11:09 AM     Customer Support
Kevin,

We've never released the full list of that information, but the list
in the forums is very accurate.
1/12/2012 12:53 PM
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not really sure what the harm would be in releasing the list
1/12/2012 1:07 PM
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I have a hard time seeing that as true.  Since I have 2 teams that are both A- I just looked at them in a few different worlds and noted first season of prestige and any other interesting blips.

Georgetown- Iba  Season 22- B NT Championship Game
                                                35- A National Champ, NT 1st, NT 1st, PI 1st
               
                        Naismith        23- B NT1st
                                                28- B+ NT 16, -, NT 2nd, -

                        Wooden         23 B-  no postseason
                                                40 A- NT 1st, NT 16, NT 2nd, PI 3

Georgia Tech- Iba               22 A NT 2nd
                                               50 A  PI Champ, NT E8,-, NT 2nd

                        Naismith       23 B+ -
                                               25  A  National Champ, -, -

                         Rupp           23 A   NT 2nd

These numbers just don't add up to me.  How in the first season of prestige in the same world, two A- teams, even if different levels of A-, have one got to the title game and be a B while the other looses in round 2 be an A?  Or in different worlds, if prestige is in fact based on a 4 year span of time have a team go PI Champ, NT E8, none, NT 2nd be an A, while another goes NT 1st, NT S16, NT 2nd, PI 3rd and still be an A-?
1/12/2012 1:30 PM
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Posted by bow2dacowz on 1/12/2012 1:07:00 PM (view original):
not really sure what the harm would be in releasing the list
I second that.
1/12/2012 1:44 PM
stinenavy
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I'll ask...
1/12/2012 1:52 PM
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Here it is, seems quite *******-y...

1/12/2012 2:02 PM stinenavy
Not sure what the harm is in releasing the list. Many individuals will choose a certain school on the basis that if things go right they can elevate that school's prestige faster, because a school's baseline is higher.

Again, this will clear up any confusion instead of individuals relying on a forum fact.
1/12/2012 2:17 PM Customer Support
There's no harm really, but we don't want the game to become a big math problem. That's why we don't give out every piece of data associated with the game.

1/12/2012 2:22 PM
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the list is fairly close but there are a number of BCS teams off by a grade or two.

The lower tier conferences also have multiple levels rather than all being grouped together as D's.  I think all the teams in the Colonial are actually a C-, all the SunBelt are D+ ...

I have my own list based on Phelan & Knight season 1 combined with the lowest prestige a program has dropped to.
I just need to get it in a format that everyone can make sense of.  Maybe over the weekend. 
1/12/2012 3:11 PM
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We don't want the game to become a big math problem?  Whyever not?  As a professional engineer, I love this game because it IS a giant math problem ;)
1/12/2012 3:14 PM
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Well what I don't get is that they say its accurate, but yet the baselines vary from world to world and from the list.  An "officially" sponsored list should be easy to produce and should be readily available.  The fact that they are giving you the run around about it tells me they don't want us to know.

Also how is Indiana being an A- and Illinois being an A+ considered to be "very accurate"
1/12/2012 9:28 PM
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when these baselines were established wasn't that during IU's Mike Davis/Kelvin Sampson down years and during the Deron Williams/Dee Brown Illini run?
1/12/2012 11:31 PM
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2001 IIRC
1/12/2012 11:55 PM
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Mike Davis' down years when he made it to the NCAA finals (2001-2002)?

And since it is a baseline, I thought it was being based off more than a few bad seasons going on at the tail end of Mike Davis/Kelvin Sampson eras
1/13/2012 6:17 AM
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Posted by firemanrob on 1/13/2012 6:17:00 AM (view original):
Mike Davis' down years when he made it to the NCAA finals (2001-2002)?

And since it is a baseline, I thought it was being based off more than a few bad seasons going on at the tail end of Mike Davis/Kelvin Sampson eras
I thought it was later than '01 obviously. I don't know how the baselines were determined, but they seem to be more of a snapshot of the times (unless it is '01, in which case you'd think IU would be higher) more than a comprehensive look at the history of the program...

I wasn't playing HD when prestige started, so I am not sure the timeline. If the list is accurate, just speculating about the variance between IU and Illinois from that example...

That said, IU can still suck it. Oh and F*** Keith Smart.
1/13/2012 8:37 AM
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I believe the grades listed in the post below are the lowest Prestige grades that a school has reached.

All schools not listed have reached a D-.

I feel it's a pretty good indicator of the "baseline" prestige grades combined with the overall strength of their conferences.

1/13/2012 7:09 PM (edited)
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B-   Lowest Prestige Grade
ACC:   Duke,  North Carolina
Big 12:  Kansas
Big East:  Syracuse,  UConn
Big Ten:  Illinois,  Michigan State
Pac 10:  Arizona,  UCLA
SEC:  Kentucky

C+   Lowest Prestige Grade
ACC:   Maryland

C   Lowest Prestige Grade
ACC:  Boston College,  Georgia Tech,  NC State,  Wake Forest
Big 12:  Oklahoma
Big East:  Cincinnati,  Louisville
Big Ten:  Indiana,  Wisconsin
Pac 10:  Stanford
SEC:  Florida

C-   Lowest Prestige Grade
A-10:  Dayton,  St. Joseph's,  Temple,  Xavier
ACC:  Clemson,  Florida State,  Miami,  Virginia,  Virginia Tech
Big 12:  Iowa State,  Missouri,  Oklahoma State,  Texas,  Texas A&M,  Texas Tech
Big East:  Georgetown,  Pittsburgh,  Providence,  Seton Hall,  St. John's,  Villanova,  West Virginia
Big Ten:  Iowa,  Michigan,  Minnesota,  Notre Dame,  Ohio State,  Penn State,  Purdue
MWC:  UNLV,  Utah
Pac 10:  Arizona  State,  Cal,  Oregon,  Oregon State,  USC,  Washington,  Washington State
SEC:  Alabama,  Arkansas,  Auburn,  Georgia,  LSU,  Mississippi,  Mississippi St,  South Carolina,  Tennessee,  Vanderbilt

D+   Lowest Prestige Grade
A-10:  Charlotte,  George Washington,  La Salle,  Rhode Island,  Richmond,  St. Bonaventure,  St. Louis,  UMass
Big 12:  Baylor,  Colorado,  Kansas State,  Nebraska
Big East:  Rutgers
Big Ten:  Northwestern
CUSA:  Memphis
Horizon:  DePaul,  Marquette
MWC:  New Mexico
Pac 10:  Fresno State,  Hawaii
WCC:  Gonzaga

D   Lowest Prestige Grade
Missouri Valley:  all teams

2/6/2012 6:16 PM (edited)
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