How do I recruit better? Topic

So, for future reference, is it better to send mass scouting trips right away (after a phone call)?
3/15/2012 10:11 AM
3/15/2012 10:25 AM
The generally accepted best pull down method is

Phone call- Get backup message
Scouting trips (at least 10) plus scholarship

continue from there as needed, that is the only way I have ever seen work in pulling down a player. He will either show up considering you or not considering you which means you need more trips. You can read in the trips if it is working too, you will start to see. He was excited to see us in the gym or similar messages if you are making progress.
3/15/2012 10:26 AM
mjp is correct on the tone of the messages thing, but that can backfire. If more than one coach is trying to pull same kid down I think the system processes one coach's effort first, then the other so that you might get encouraging messages, and then the other coach goes and swings it back away again...
3/15/2012 10:39 AM
60miles vs 170 miles is different when it comes to pulldowns. Some players at the level above (the low end, so or d2, the low end D1), can be recruited straight up by a team within 70miles, and have to be pulled down by teams out of 70 miles. That's probably why this C prestige coach is recruiting him straight up. 
3/15/2012 10:44 AM
Posted by steuarjd on 3/15/2012 10:11:00 AM (view original):
So, for future reference, is it better to send mass scouting trips right away (after a phone call)?
When I attempt a pull down, I send a phone call in the 1st cycle, 10 scouting visits on the second, then 2-3 each cycle after until he's pulled down.

Be warned, though. Even at D2 it's dangerous to attempt multiple pull downs at once, especially if you're gonna bombard them with SV's up front. You need to find the right mix of pull downs and drop downs.
3/15/2012 10:49 AM
Posted by dacj501 on 3/15/2012 10:25:00 AM (view original):
HD Pulldown Advice.doc - Google Docs
read this
Thanks, Dac, I forgot where we put that :)

On a more general note to to OP, the 10 visits standard is sometimes a *minimum* necessary depending on the player's rating, your prestige and who else is recruiting him.  Just because he's not considering another school doesn't mean someone else isn't making a pitch.

I think my personal best for scouting trips is around 25 (D2), but others here have sent as many as 35+ before they got a kid to consider them.  Often in those situations, other schools will jump on the recruit while you're still pumping another 3-6 STs the next cycle.  Whether it's worth it or not to you is a value judgment only you can make.

@Tbird: you don't need to blow your entire budget on one kid.  Figure out the ratings cap for your school and stay at or below that, then recruit strictly for high potentials.  The "cap" is imaginary and pretty squishy - search for "All" 4-year players at all distances for your division and look at the highest rating.  That's your imaginary cap for 4-year guys.  Then look at 3-year and 2-year players.  You can exceed that cap, but in my experience the more you exceed it the more money it will take to sign a kid and the more likely you'll lose him.

Recruiting is not much different from gambling.  To win big you have to be willing to risk losing big, but once in a while the payoffs are enough to turn your decent team into a really good or great one.  Nothing wrong with running risks as long as you have some safer backups on your scouting report.
 





3/15/2012 1:45 PM (edited)
Yes, always remember not every player will be pulled down. You may just waste a ton of money on a guy you don't get, either because a D1 team jumped on him, or maybe 2 or 3 teams tried to pull him down at once.

Huge risk but big reward too for the right players.
3/15/2012 11:46 AM
best part of the game...
3/15/2012 11:57 AM
DOn't pull a scholly though just because a higher division team shows up on a player you pulled;  sometimes, they put the effort in just to get a backup, and if they get the player they were looking for the begin with, they pull the scholly. . and the player drops right back into your lap.  Had it happen before.

3/15/2012 12:04 PM
Posted by a_in_the_b on 3/15/2012 12:04:00 PM (view original):
DOn't pull a scholly though just because a higher division team shows up on a player you pulled;  sometimes, they put the effort in just to get a backup, and if they get the player they were looking for the begin with, they pull the scholly. . and the player drops right back into your lap.  Had it happen before.

Yup, I pulled the scholly once just to avoid getting the too late email, only to find out the better team wound up not signing the guy and I filled my scholarships elsewhere. Saw him fall to a school in my conference with a worse prestige who just nabbed him on the last day because everyone else had backed off.
3/15/2012 12:30 PM
Posted by mjp8 on 3/15/2012 12:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by a_in_the_b on 3/15/2012 12:04:00 PM (view original):
DOn't pull a scholly though just because a higher division team shows up on a player you pulled;  sometimes, they put the effort in just to get a backup, and if they get the player they were looking for the begin with, they pull the scholly. . and the player drops right back into your lap.  Had it happen before.

Yup, I pulled the scholly once just to avoid getting the too late email, only to find out the better team wound up not signing the guy and I filled my scholarships elsewhere. Saw him fall to a school in my conference with a worse prestige who just nabbed him on the last day because everyone else had backed off.
Phillip Steed. That was a stroke of good fortune that pushed my team to the next level. :)
3/15/2012 1:00 PM
Posted by pepwaves on 3/15/2012 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mjp8 on 3/15/2012 12:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by a_in_the_b on 3/15/2012 12:04:00 PM (view original):
DOn't pull a scholly though just because a higher division team shows up on a player you pulled;  sometimes, they put the effort in just to get a backup, and if they get the player they were looking for the begin with, they pull the scholly. . and the player drops right back into your lap.  Had it happen before.

Yup, I pulled the scholly once just to avoid getting the too late email, only to find out the better team wound up not signing the guy and I filled my scholarships elsewhere. Saw him fall to a school in my conference with a worse prestige who just nabbed him on the last day because everyone else had backed off.
Phillip Steed. That was a stroke of good fortune that pushed my team to the next level. :)
Ha damn I did that twice, I forgot about him too.

Lesson learned, never retract a scholarship just b/c you think you can't get a guy
3/15/2012 1:17 PM
Posted by mjp8 on 3/15/2012 1:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by pepwaves on 3/15/2012 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mjp8 on 3/15/2012 12:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by a_in_the_b on 3/15/2012 12:04:00 PM (view original):
DOn't pull a scholly though just because a higher division team shows up on a player you pulled;  sometimes, they put the effort in just to get a backup, and if they get the player they were looking for the begin with, they pull the scholly. . and the player drops right back into your lap.  Had it happen before.

Yup, I pulled the scholly once just to avoid getting the too late email, only to find out the better team wound up not signing the guy and I filled my scholarships elsewhere. Saw him fall to a school in my conference with a worse prestige who just nabbed him on the last day because everyone else had backed off.
Phillip Steed. That was a stroke of good fortune that pushed my team to the next level. :)
Ha damn I did that twice, I forgot about him too.

Lesson learned, never retract a scholarship just b/c you think you can't get a guy
Will usually leave one scholarship slot open until after the first day of signings for cases like that, at least.
3/15/2012 5:17 PM

The .doc that Dac posted is gold.  I owe 99.8% of my success in this game to it.

3/15/2012 5:36 PM
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