Posted by MikeT23 on 4/5/2012 1:03:00 PM (view original):
Pitches aren't thrown on an individual basis.

Better pitchers, in general, are less affected by PC. 

to add to this.  I think the two rating sets that HBD owners get confused about the most are Pitch Calling for catchers and Pitches for pitchers, with the ironic thing being that they directly interact with each other.  People get confused by the names because they think individual pitches are thrown in each at bat, when the sim really only sims the whole AB. I need to do some digging to find this, but if I remember correctly, site staff has stated that PC is a direct modifier of a pitcher's pitches.  If a pitcher has a very good pitch and a very bad pitch, a high PC catcher will effectively improve the pitcher's effectiveness in each AB, whereas a pitcher that only has very good pitches will be unaffected by a bad PC catcher.  Let's see if I can make a simple visual:

Good Pitcher with wide variance in pitch quality + good catcher with high PC = high chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher
Good Pitcher with wide variance in pitch quality + good catcher with low PC = random chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher
Good Pitcher with low variance in pitch quality + good catcher with high PC = high chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher
Good Pitcher with low variance in pitch quality + good catcher with low PC = high chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher

basically, the last two scenarios, the catcher's PC ability doesn't affect the outcome of the AB because the pitcher only has good pitches.  Catchers with high PC only help pitchers who have a wide range of pitches, assuming they have at least one pitch that is rated high.

Posted by bigal888 on 4/5/2012 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/5/2012 1:03:00 PM (view original):
Pitches aren't thrown on an individual basis.

Better pitchers, in general, are less affected by PC. 

to add to this.  I think the two rating sets that HBD owners get confused about the most are Pitch Calling for catchers and Pitches for pitchers, with the ironic thing being that they directly interact with each other.  People get confused by the names because they think individual pitches are thrown in each at bat, when the sim really only sims the whole AB. I need to do some digging to find this, but if I remember correctly, site staff has stated that PC is a direct modifier of a pitcher's pitches.  If a pitcher has a very good pitch and a very bad pitch, a high PC catcher will effectively improve the pitcher's effectiveness in each AB, whereas a pitcher that only has very good pitches will be unaffected by a bad PC catcher.  Let's see if I can make a simple visual:

Good Pitcher with wide variance in pitch quality + good catcher with high PC = high chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher
Good Pitcher with wide variance in pitch quality + good catcher with low PC = random chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher
Good Pitcher with low variance in pitch quality + good catcher with high PC = high chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher
Good Pitcher with low variance in pitch quality + good catcher with low PC = high chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher

basically, the last two scenarios, the catcher's PC ability doesn't affect the outcome of the AB because the pitcher only has good pitches.  Catchers with high PC only help pitchers who have a wide range of pitches, assuming they have at least one pitch that is rated high.

Is this documented anywhere?

I am pretty sure Site Staff has said PC effects OBA but it does not effect walks (control).  However, it is very easy to find places where Site Staff directly contradicts themselves in developers chats, responses to tickets, form threads...ect.  So take what they say with a grain of salt (especially first level support). 

I believe the programer who wrote the game left WIS shortly after HBD started so an argument can be made no one is entirely sure how all the parts work together. 

Affects OAV.   That's why it doesn't affect walks.

Posted by tufft on 4/5/2012 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bigal888 on 4/5/2012 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/5/2012 1:03:00 PM (view original):
Pitches aren't thrown on an individual basis.

Better pitchers, in general, are less affected by PC. 

to add to this.  I think the two rating sets that HBD owners get confused about the most are Pitch Calling for catchers and Pitches for pitchers, with the ironic thing being that they directly interact with each other.  People get confused by the names because they think individual pitches are thrown in each at bat, when the sim really only sims the whole AB. I need to do some digging to find this, but if I remember correctly, site staff has stated that PC is a direct modifier of a pitcher's pitches.  If a pitcher has a very good pitch and a very bad pitch, a high PC catcher will effectively improve the pitcher's effectiveness in each AB, whereas a pitcher that only has very good pitches will be unaffected by a bad PC catcher.  Let's see if I can make a simple visual:

Good Pitcher with wide variance in pitch quality + good catcher with high PC = high chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher
Good Pitcher with wide variance in pitch quality + good catcher with low PC = random chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher
Good Pitcher with low variance in pitch quality + good catcher with high PC = high chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher
Good Pitcher with low variance in pitch quality + good catcher with low PC = high chance for a favorable AB result for pitcher

basically, the last two scenarios, the catcher's PC ability doesn't affect the outcome of the AB because the pitcher only has good pitches.  Catchers with high PC only help pitchers who have a wide range of pitches, assuming they have at least one pitch that is rated high.

Is this documented anywhere?

I need to find it somewhere.  I could swear I saw this in a developer chat way back when.

I'm probably completely wrong btw...but this is what I found in the dev chats:

Is it better for a pitcher to have 2 really good pitches or 2 really good pitches and 3 mediocre to lousy pitches? Does catcher pitch calling play into this? (csherwood - Hall of Famer - 4:16 PM)

A guy with 2 pitches would typically be a reliever and a guy with 5 is usually a starter. Catcher pitch calling impacts OAV, so a good catcher definitely helps a pitching staff.

Will you talk a little bit about pitch calling rating and how much emphasis/importance it has. (brygold - Hall of Famer - 4:24 PM)

A top defensive catcher will help a pitcher make better pitches and reduce offensive production. A horrible catcher will lead to poor pitch selection and cause a boost in offensive production. Not gonna list the percentages, though.

Clarification Q - I believe a common misperception is that individual pitches are called and a high PC will help pitchers with a wide range of pitch rating quality (ex 95, 65, 35) more than a pitchers with similar pitch rating quality (ex 65, 65, 65). Is it more accurate to think of PC as an OAV modifier used in conjunction with all of the pitchers ratings that will help or hurt pitchers generaly the same relative amount with the OAV? Or am I mistaken? (broadwayevns - All-Star - 12:27 PM)

The pitchers pitch ratings and the catchers pitch calling rating are used to determine how successful that pitcher is throughout the course of the at bat.

Does a catcher's pitch calling affect anything other than OAV? Does it affect how many pitches a pitcher throws per inning? (sweetsalve - Hall of Famer - 1:11 PM)

No, it only affects OAV.

As far as a C's pitch calling, I have a pitcher who seems to consistently pitch better with my 40 PC rated catcher than with my 69 PC rated catcher. Why would this be so? (torrone - Hall of Famer - 2:06 PM)

It's hard to say as there are a ton of factors that could be influencing it like ballpark, opponent, your defensive setup for that game. If you have a some examples feel free to submit them in a ticket and we'll take a look.

 

 

In a roundabout way, what I gather from their responses is that a pitchers pitches and the catchers PC work together to influence if an AB turns into a hit or not.  That's basically what I get out of it...