For me, the objective is to get the most innings possible from my best pitchers.  Since I really only control who starts the game(and possibly tandem B), I want to start my best pitchers if they can effectively throw 40-50 pitches.   If Calderon was one of my best, I'd start him or, more likely, tandem him up with LH SP.

hey guys, how many pitches do you think I can get out out of a 4 stamina relief pitcher. Maybe a left handed specialist? Is that even a real thing in this game? Does the AI use them correctly?

Posted by mezirah on 4/21/2012 3:15:00 AM (view original):
hey guys, how many pitches do you think I can get out out of a 4 stamina relief pitcher. Maybe a left handed specialist? Is that even a real thing in this game? Does the AI use them correctly?

You're probably looking at 5/10 target/max.

1, maybe 2, batters a game.  Here's a guy you can compare against.  If not for his 4 stamina he'd be a beast.

 Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Hughie Schrenk

Posted by dwoolery on 4/20/2012 9:15:00 PM (view original):
Your team ERA last season was 3.75, Calderon is a career 4.20. No question you can get 200+IP out of him, but how does that help?

Well it is all about context.  My team ERA was largely the product of my two aces, Red Haynes and Dan Hamill.  Haynes, especially, because of his career year with a sub-2 ERA.  Calderon is clearly the 3rd best pitcher on my team.

Then what about running a rotation of
1) Haynes
2) Calderon
3) Hamill
4) Calderon (again)

You'd obviously have to check in and tinker regularly. but if you got the pitch counts right it should give your 3 best guys the most innings.

Geez, lots of interesting stuff in this thread.
I have a different philosophy than a lot of the posters on this thread-- I try to reduce in-game fatigue more than most owners.  Because of this, I tend to value high-stamina relievers (eg, ST/DUR = 15/55) more than other owners.  The implications of this for this thread:

1) mezirah-- I have no use for a pitcher with ST=4.  By his second batter he's lost some effectiveness, and by his 3rd batter odds are I have a better option.  So if the guy is a true beast, maybe I can see going 5/5 PC, but even then, can your staff support a guy who's going to throw 35 innings?

2) mlhutch-- if Calderon is clearly the 3rd best pitcher on your team, then I'd run him as a reliever, PC 25/30 or so.  He'll be less effective as an SP, throwing 40 pitches every 3rd day (which will end up being about 170-190 IP)... and in any case, the SuA and/or the closer will have higher leverage innings than an SP.  I think you do better than break even if he pitches 120 IP as an SuA, and I've had guys like this throw 140-160 IP in high-leverage relief (Joshua Truman).

3)  Mike-- I trust the sim more than you do-- I think it uses the key relievers predictably and well enough that I can get the leverage I want from at least my 2 best relievers.  I would use Calderon as a reliever because I'm confident I can get that 1.5 leverage in the role, and you don't think simmy does that very well.  We've disagreed about this before. 

4) silentpadna-- agree, but I do often slot an outstanding reliever as the closer if his ST/DUR lead me to want a PC of about 15, and if I have other excellent relievers in the SuA role.  This doesn't happen too often, but check out Pete Martin's 3 seasons in OAK.

I would put Calderon as my SuA and get the other relievers the hell out of the way, assuming they are not better.