big budget - lots of schollies - strategy? Topic

Posted by reinsel on 5/30/2012 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Eh, $150k with a B- isn't all that scary to someone with $90-100k and an A prestige and 4 openings. 
especially when, IMO, he doesn't have close to 150k.  135-140 tops and that's IF he signed his two guys last season on the super cheap...which given that one was a very good international, I'm sure head to spend a little bit.
5/30/2012 6:21 PM
Posted by emy1013 on 5/30/2012 6:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dwoelflin07 on 5/30/2012 5:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wsut on 5/30/2012 2:28:00 PM (view original):
When it comes to BCS recruiting, you have to know your place at the start, and take note of what everyone else around you is doing. What I mean by that is, find all of your close geographic rivals and pay attention to where they are spending money/how much money they have left approximately. Read FSS updates. Take notice of any changes.

When I talk about knowing your place, that means respecting the higher prestige schools and their needs first. If you're a B-, and you're right next to A- Iowa State and he needs three bigs, probably don't go for the best big in the area right away. You're just wasting your money. However, if he DOES go for the best big in the area, and spends a lot of money elsewhere, like in the international market, that is a potential poach target for late in recruiting if you are paying attention.

I recommend finding two to three targets that you think fit your system and are of good enough caliber, and get on them right away. Make sure you have FSS locked up, as in very tight or high priority( in pipeline, 6-10k for no stars, 10-15k for stars), as a message to any other school that sees it that you have spent a decent amount of money into the player and that it would take a significant chunk to knock you off of the player. Failure to do this leaves you open to competition on your recruits.

The biggest disadvantage you can give yourself is to spread yourself too thin with your huge bankroll. Treat your money in chunks rather than as a whole, if that makes sense. If you're going to do something, make a strong play to put pressure on other coaches. Do math. If you're 170 miles out with 4 scholarships and a B-, and the player you really want is 350 miles away from an A- school with 2 ships, see how much his CV's/HV's cost and how many CV's/HV's you both can get off realistically.

Sorry, a lot of random thoughts in this post. Hope it helps. I also realize that I have no titles, so take it with a grain of salt if you please. 
Lack of titles have nothing to do with this coaches advice. It is all really good information. +1
Agreed.
Especially from someone who has kicked my arse recruiting on multiple occasions. Keep the info coming, though, as I'm in a border state and would like continuous updates. ;)
5/30/2012 6:21 PM
- search state by state in the adjacent states and sort of map out where the top 4* and 5* kids are likely to land, esp. if there are  higher prestige schools close by. 

- If a school has just 2 guards on his roster, then you can probably push him for any talented big men he's chasing if he's in battles for his guards.  He'll likely protect what he needs most

- If you have 6 openings and all that cash, go for no more than 5 kids to start.  Give the appearance of strength by not over-committing early.  Also, if you pick your first 5 properly (i.e. not over-reaching for higher talent that a better school will likely land), then you set yourself up nicely for chasing a big fish (or 2) later in recruiting b/c you'll be swimming in money and can battle with confidence

- definitely consider JUCOs, an AI kid, and any kid with high WE and nice potentials that you could R/S

- with a B-, 6 openings, and all that cash, this is the year to build your team for the future.  Muck it up and you're back to square one, do it right and it can be a stepping stone...just saying
5/30/2012 10:10 PM
I don't really like the last sentence about how it's the year to build your team for the future. Perhaps you're saying, don't take 4+ walkons. Then, I agree with that statement.  Manage your team in 4 year cycles rather than in years. It's okay to take two or three walkons if you get a couple studs and a third solid starter out of it. You just need pieces that can compete in the Big 12. Do NOT take players just to fill spots unless you are absolutely desperate. One of the biggest mistakes people in BCS rebuilds make (and I have made this mistake, particularly at South Carolina in Tarkanian) is not going after good enough players simply because you're worried about filling spots. If you are confident in your abilities and pay attention, you will do just fine. 

Walk-ons for a year will hurt your team for a year. Taking mediocre players who get pummeled by the good teams in your conference will hurt your team until you cut them or graduate. We've all had players that cannot graduate fast enough, whether it be a lack of development or simply a poor recruiting decision. Keeping those mistakes at a minimum will increase your odds of success greatly. 

5/30/2012 11:00 PM
this really wasn't meant as a "back off" type thing.... sorry if it came off that way... it really was an honest question... so thank you to everyone who gave serious answers...


i think you're right, i need to make sure not to aim too low, but also keep from shooting too high. I prefer jucos and a RS over walkons to balance classes, but we'll see.
5/31/2012 2:30 AM
Posted by wsut on 5/30/2012 11:00:00 PM (view original):
I don't really like the last sentence about how it's the year to build your team for the future. Perhaps you're saying, don't take 4+ walkons. Then, I agree with that statement.  Manage your team in 4 year cycles rather than in years. It's okay to take two or three walkons if you get a couple studs and a third solid starter out of it. You just need pieces that can compete in the Big 12. Do NOT take players just to fill spots unless you are absolutely desperate. One of the biggest mistakes people in BCS rebuilds make (and I have made this mistake, particularly at South Carolina in Tarkanian) is not going after good enough players simply because you're worried about filling spots. If you are confident in your abilities and pay attention, you will do just fine. 

Walk-ons for a year will hurt your team for a year. Taking mediocre players who get pummeled by the good teams in your conference will hurt your team until you cut them or graduate. We've all had players that cannot graduate fast enough, whether it be a lack of development or simply a poor recruiting decision. Keeping those mistakes at a minimum will increase your odds of success greatly. 

i am at south carolina in tarkanian now, and i can certainly appreciate how you could have made that mistake :) but anyway, i agree with your sentiment 100%. it is THE BIGGEST mistake i see BCS school make too, at least the a- prestige and down ones. many good coaches shoot for 2 walkons, and 3 won't hurt you, and 4 is not that big of a deal. have to remember, its only 1 year you go with a walkon instead of a better player - but if you sign a poor player - its him for 4 years. id rather have a walkon and a player id like to have for 3 seasons, instead of a player i don't want for 4!! by a lot
5/31/2012 7:59 PM
So, how'd it work out?
6/3/2012 6:07 PM

Apparently $150k gets you one low-end transfer out of Virginia Tech.

6/3/2012 6:44 PM
Holy Cow:  That is an epic Fail right there.  What happened?  Anyone in Phelan care to share?  Sometimes there is as much to learn by studies of failure as there is from studies of success.
6/3/2012 7:11 PM
Looks like trobone went too aggressive early, and got picked off by higher prestige teams. That VA tech transfer was a last second thing because I'm sure trobone knows he's pretty much tapped out in potential (and now confirmed, bc I 'm the VA Tech coach that cut him). 

Mizzou was on a 4 star international, and got into a battle over the player. Also got into a battle with a SEC team (Alabama I believe). Seems like these battles drained his cash and attracted others to come in late on day 3. 
6/3/2012 7:29 PM (edited)
he also battled Seton Hall for a canadian but i'm not sure how expensive that battle got.
6/3/2012 7:31 PM
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