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CJ this is precisely the reason that veterans always say to not make any trades in your first year (or even 2) unless you get at least 2 strong veterans (that arent in your world) to recommend a particular trade. There are tons of vets in the forums that are only too happy to give their opinions. We dont want to see noobs get screwed in trades like this because it increases the chances of you saying screw this after your 1st year and leaving HBD.

6/20/2012 3:34 PM

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I understand that opinion, but I am playing the game to make my own decisions and learn how to play the game and get good at it. That is what makes it fun for me. If I just did what everyone said to it wouldn't be very fun. I am not the kind of person to just quit and say screw this.

I was just curious what other people thought of the trade because I am bored at work.

6/20/2012 3:38 PM

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I'm a bit surprised there wasn't a veto, too.

Mchale is correct in saying you won't get Rijo's value through the IFA process, probably. Because guys like him come around once in a bluemoon. But you can recover some of it that way next year. If you don't need the cash for salary.

You might be agressive for FA's next year. You'll lose Maradona, but you'll have a bunch of cash to replace him with an FA pitcher.

You can find out if Maradona will resign with you by going to your FA page and searching your FA pitchers for next season. Will tell you whether he'll resign, and for how much.

Regardless of his projections, Iglasias will top out at something like 82-79-77-80 with the glove. Maybe a point more in each area. He didn't grow much this year and he'll gorw just a bit less next. That might be it.

At those numbers, he's a GG-type 3B or a nice 2B.

I like using guys with his big vL/vR split as a fulltime vL part of a platoon, and then to rest my other guys, vR, once every 10 games for each of them. He can play every position decently (although he isn't really a SS) as a bench guy. So he could back up all the OF positions and 2B/3B/SS. He won't hit RHP very well, but using him that way he'll get 65 starts a year vs. lefties, and then another 35 or so vs righties, as you rest guys to keep them at 100%.

He can be useful in that way.

I use this guy that way SammyG He's kind of similar to your guy. Check out his fielding statistics, and you can see that he gets about 100 starts for me, all over the field. He's very useful that way. Hits decently, too. Also gets innings as a late inning defensive guy...and PH's vs lefties when he doesn't start.

Good luck.

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6/20/2012 3:46 PM

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Thanks, Moe. The trade hasn't gone through yet, so there might be a veto.

In my opinion, the only time anyone should ever veto a trade is if there is good evidence of collusion. Outside of that an owner should be free to make his own decisions, good or bad.

I checked Maradonna's demands for next year and he says he's going to test the market. I will probably let him walk and take the compensation pick because I'm trying to get younger. That combined with Rijo means $40M extra to spend on either INT FA or regular FA. I know there may not always be great players in FA, but I may be able to get a good player or two.

I guess I made a bad trade this time, but that's part of the fun for me. I would rather make a bunch of bad moves trying to figure it out on my own than just blindly do what people tell me to do. I'm not going to skip out on the league so if that's the main objection it's not something to worry about.

6/20/2012 3:59 PM

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Posted by cj_hackett on 6/20/2012 3:39:00 PM (view original):
I understand that opinion, but I am playing the game to make my own decisions and learn how to play the game and get good at it. That is what makes it fun for me. If I just did what everyone said to it wouldn't be very fun. I am not the kind of person to just quit and say screw this.

I was just curious what other people thought of the trade because I am bored at work.

You can solicit the opinions of veteran mentors and still make your own decisions. In fact, they would be more informed decisions that help you learn.

Also, you can't put too much faith into what you might expect to get from Type A compensation, because you could end up with a late supplemental round pick and a third or fourth round pick. Which essentially amounts to a pretty crappy return.

6/20/2012 4:07 PM

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How is the supplemental pick determined?

6/20/2012 4:27 PM

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Because you don't play in a vacuum, good worlds aren't going to let your make your own decisions, good or bad, that affect the balance of power. I don't care enough to check Sanderbears Ron Cey but, as has been pointed out, you were robbed.

6/20/2012 4:27 PM

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Posted by cj_hackett on 6/20/2012 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Thanks, Moe. The trade hasn't gone through yet, so there might be a veto.

In my opinion, the only time anyone should ever veto a trade is if there is good evidence of collusion. Outside of that an owner should be free to make his own decisions, good or bad.

I checked Maradonna's demands for next year and he says he's going to test the market. I will probably let him walk and take the compensation pick because I'm trying to get younger. That combined with Rijo means $40M extra to spend on either INT FA or regular FA. I know there may not always be great players in FA, but I may be able to get a good player or two.

I guess I made a bad trade this time, but that's part of the fun for me. I would rather make a bunch of bad moves trying to figure it out on my own than just blindly do what people tell me to do. I'm not going to skip out on the league so if that's the main objection it's not something to worry about.

This is blatantly wrong.
As you continually screw up, learning along the way, the league gets imbalanced, as owners trade away back ups for MVPs. Collusion should most certainly NOT be the only reason for a veto. That is something you will also learn along the way.

6/20/2012 4:29 PM

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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/20/2012 4:27:00 PM (view original):
Because you don't play in a vacuum, good worlds aren't going to let your make your own decisions, good or bad, that affect the balance of power. I don't care enough to check Sanderbears Ron Cey but, as has been pointed out, you were robbed.

That's why the veto exists.

Mike, you keep pointing out I was robbed. I already said that I guess I made a bad trade. Not a big deal. I'm having fun and am enjoying myself playing HBD. Your arrogance and attitude throughout the forums doesn't bother me, but I would bet that you turn a lot of people away from the game.

6/20/2012 4:40 PM (edited)

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Posted by mchalesarmy on 6/20/2012 4:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cj_hackett on 6/20/2012 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Thanks, Moe. The trade hasn't gone through yet, so there might be a veto.

In my opinion, the only time anyone should ever veto a trade is if there is good evidence of collusion. Outside of that an owner should be free to make his own decisions, good or bad.

I checked Maradonna's demands for next year and he says he's going to test the market. I will probably let him walk and take the compensation pick because I'm trying to get younger. That combined with Rijo means $40M extra to spend on either INT FA or regular FA. I know there may not always be great players in FA, but I may be able to get a good player or two.

I guess I made a bad trade this time, but that's part of the fun for me. I would rather make a bunch of bad moves trying to figure it out on my own than just blindly do what people tell me to do. I'm not going to skip out on the league so if that's the main objection it's not something to worry about.

This is blatantly wrong.
As you continually screw up, learning along the way, the league gets imbalanced, as owners trade away back ups for MVPs. Collusion should most certainly NOT be the only reason for a veto. That is something you will also learn along the way.

That's one way to look at it. I look at it a different way.

I may be new to HBD, but I am a veteran when it comes to competition and competitive games and leagues. Just like in any league (NBA, MLB, NFL, etc) there will be good GMs and bad GMs, good decisions and bad decisions. You can't oversee every move like you're god and make sure everything is fair. People need to be left to make their own decisions as long as they aren't doing something against the rules. If it's bad enough to cause a veto, then that's also part of the game.

Some people on these forums are pretty damn arrogant. There is more than one way to look at things and just because someone sees something differently doesn't make them wrong.

6/20/2012 4:38 PM

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Posted by cj_hackett on 6/20/2012 4:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/20/2012 4:27:00 PM (view original):
Because you don't play in a vacuum, good worlds aren't going to let your make your own decisions, good or bad, that affect the balance of power. I don't care enough to check Sanderbears Ron Cey but, as has been pointed out, you were robbed.
That's why the veto exists.

Mike, you keep pointing out I was robbed. I already said that I guess I made a bad trade. Not a big deal. I'm having fun and am enjoying myself playing HBD. Your arrogance and attitude throughout the forums doesn't bother me, but I would bet that you turn a lot of people away from the game.

Well, my post was in response to your post saying vetoes should only be used if there's signs of collusion. Are you know agreeing that protecting the integrity of the world beats "Make my own decisions, good or bad, and learn from them"?

6/20/2012 4:40 PM

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Vetos are part of the game and I have no problem with someone vetoing a trade.

I have my own criteria for whether something deserves a veto. Your criteria is different.

I will only veto a trade if it smells of collusion. Outside of that I am a firm believer in making your own decisions and living with the consequences. I don't try to police the world and make sure everybody makes smart moves.

6/20/2012 4:43 PM

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If my trade gets vetoed I will not be bitter or mad about it. If I was the one doing the robbing I would feel the same way. The rules are the rules.

I would never tell someone that they need to change their criteria for a veto and do things the way I do. That's why I think it's arrogant for people to say that we all should veto a trade based on their criteria.

6/20/2012 4:44 PM

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You came asking for opinions and then explained how you're here for the long run, that you should be allowed to make your own decisions and learn from your mistakes.

Those of us who've played for awhile have heard "It's my team, I can do what I want" and "I'm not going anywhere" only to watch an owner wreck a team with bad moves and disappear.

Anyone who quits the game because they don't like my arrogance or attitude is probably better off just turning off their computer and never leaving the house. The real world is gonna be tough for them if they can't handle words on the internet.

6/20/2012 4:49 PM

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I asked for opinions and have no problems with the opinions given. After hearing them, I agree, I made a bad trade. The advice will help me in the future.

I also know that some owners will wreck a team and disappear. That's just going to be something that happens because, like with everything in life, some people will be good and some will be bad. That's why there is an option to have a private league where owners can be screened. A public league will always have that risk. I still believe that if someone pays the money for their team, they have the right to learn as they see fit.

I also agree that if someone quits because you are an arrogant a$$ then they need to grow a pair, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't have been a good owner. If it makes you feel better to be an arrogant a$$ to random people on the internet because they don't play a game the way you like them to play, go ahead and do it. :)

6/20/2012 4:54 PM

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