"The old RS system made more sense? You tell a kid he's going to get RSed, he rejects it. Do it again and again, but on the 12th time he's cool with it, no problem...

If you don't want to gamble, use the inform of redshirt...it's in the game for a reason."

Tianyi, thanks for your comment.

However, I think we were  pretty much aware that if it didn't take the 2nd or maybe the 3rd time, it was not going to go.

I don;t understand your second comment, "If you don;t want to gamble...? That's exactly would you are doing with the "Inform of redshirt". I discussed that in my posting. You are gambling on losing a player or spending alot more money by informing during recruiting. In my opinion the gamble is not worth the risk. Especially for a mid to low level DIII program trying to climb up the ladder.

Posted by coachvegas44 on 7/13/2012 4:45:00 PM (view original):
The new RS Logic is terrible, awful, terrible, bad, no good, not working. Now that I've got that off my chest, maybe I should be more sensible and explain my thoughts. Under the old system I redshirted 3 players in 3 seasons. One a Frosh who was NOT told during recruiting. He took it on the first try after the exhibition games after he got to see our sqaud. The other 2 both frosh going to soph. One took it the 2nd try. One took it the third.

Results under the new system. Three attempts, no redshirts. One a freshman. My 5th and last guard with the lowest rating on the team. He went beserk with the stupid messages we have now and WE dropped badly. I had to reinstate him. He's barely playing and his is progressing very slowly. How does that help him or the team? Two were Sophs going to Juniors. They were the 4th & 5th rated bigs of six on the team. The 6th had already been RS under the old system. They were the 6th & 7th rated on a 10 man roster. As said, 1 RS already. the other 2 are guards on a 3 guard roster, so you can't possibly RS them. There WE dropped 45-55 points. One of them already had a WE drop last season because he was the last man so he's already lost one season. The perfect RS prospect in real life. Since it was an all underclass, he's going to see very little time this season. Had he reshirted, he had the potential to be a 700 guy and start in his career. Now he's got no chance. How is that good for the game?

Also, the new messages are TERRIBLE! Kids would NEVER respond like that in RL. I know I RS kids for 10 years in RL. If they responded like that in RL their butts would have been glued to the end of the bench. You need to clean the message up to have them a little classier. Who ever made them up appears to know nothing about how college basketball really works. In RL you bring the kid in to your office. You explalin your decision. You explain, if he chooses not to accept it, what the requirements will be to get more playing time. You discuss it with him and show him the advantages too him. You sell him. He usually accepts 70-80% of the time. If he does not his WE sometims goes up not down because he knows what his status is and what he has to do to play. It's a WIN-WIN for the player and the program.

Also informing a player during recruiting of a RS rarely, rarely happens in RL,  And almost always when the kid is totally cooperative (The youngest Plumlee at Duke). Why would you want to run a player off who you want and who can excel in the future? You get a frosh to campus to enjoy the environment. You let him see the squad and comp. You walk him thru what's best for him in the long run. He goes RS. Telling a kid during recruting only exists here, it appears to make you spend more money on him. Not remotely beneficial to anyone. Certainly not game player friendly. In fact the whole process has no value to the player.

RS is one of the few ways that coaches in this game who use RS,  have the opportunity to make their team better and to make gains on higher rated teams. It needs to be cleaned up to be more user friendly. It needs to be a more logical process that is not so nasty in player comments. As coaches, we should be able to figure out who we can RS and who we can't

Thanks, everyone for allowing my ranting and input. These forums are great and have some great contributors.

Posted by zbrent716 on 7/3/2012 11:57:00 AM (view original):
If I was to have him play to fatigue in the 2 exhibitions, I'd expect considerably more than 1-2 points of improvement.

It'd also be nice to see whether it got coded correctly (assuming I am reading it correctly).

Posted by girt25 on 7/15/2012 11:53:00 PM (view original):
billy, I believe exhibition PT does impact improvement.

Posted by isack24 on 7/14/2012 12:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by coachvegas44 on 7/13/2012 4:45:00 PM (view original):
The new RS Logic is terrible, awful, terrible, bad, no good, not working. Now that I've got that off my chest, maybe I should be more sensible and explain my thoughts. Under the old system I redshirted 3 players in 3 seasons. One a Frosh who was NOT told during recruiting. He took it on the first try after the exhibition games after he got to see our sqaud. The other 2 both frosh going to soph. One took it the 2nd try. One took it the third.

Results under the new system. Three attempts, no redshirts. One a freshman. My 5th and last guard with the lowest rating on the team. He went beserk with the stupid messages we have now and WE dropped badly. I had to reinstate him. He's barely playing and his is progressing very slowly. How does that help him or the team? Two were Sophs going to Juniors. They were the 4th & 5th rated bigs of six on the team. The 6th had already been RS under the old system. They were the 6th & 7th rated on a 10 man roster. As said, 1 RS already. the other 2 are guards on a 3 guard roster, so you can't possibly RS them. There WE dropped 45-55 points. One of them already had a WE drop last season because he was the last man so he's already lost one season. The perfect RS prospect in real life. Since it was an all underclass, he's going to see very little time this season. Had he reshirted, he had the potential to be a 700 guy and start in his career. Now he's got no chance. How is that good for the game?

Also, the new messages are TERRIBLE! Kids would NEVER respond like that in RL. I know I RS kids for 10 years in RL. If they responded like that in RL their butts would have been glued to the end of the bench. You need to clean the message up to have them a little classier. Who ever made them up appears to know nothing about how college basketball really works. In RL you bring the kid in to your office. You explalin your decision. You explain, if he chooses not to accept it, what the requirements will be to get more playing time. You discuss it with him and show him the advantages too him. You sell him. He usually accepts 70-80% of the time. If he does not his WE sometims goes up not down because he knows what his status is and what he has to do to play. It's a WIN-WIN for the player and the program.

Also informing a player during recruiting of a RS rarely, rarely happens in RL,  And almost always when the kid is totally cooperative (The youngest Plumlee at Duke). Why would you want to run a player off who you want and who can excel in the future? You get a frosh to campus to enjoy the environment. You let him see the squad and comp. You walk him thru what's best for him in the long run. He goes RS. Telling a kid during recruting only exists here, it appears to make you spend more money on him. Not remotely beneficial to anyone. Certainly not game player friendly. In fact the whole process has no value to the player.

RS is one of the few ways that coaches in this game who use RS,  have the opportunity to make their team better and to make gains on higher rated teams. It needs to be cleaned up to be more user friendly. It needs to be a more logical process that is not so nasty in player comments. As coaches, we should be able to figure out who we can RS and who we can't

Thanks, everyone for allowing my ranting and input. These forums are great and have some great contributors.

You're comparing the process/players to real life but you're upset because you had a problem redshirting sophomores?