Work Ethic/Recruiting Question Topic

emy1013
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As far as the low end D1 team thing, here are eight teams that I found pretty quickly which he could be a part of and not stand out badly, if at all (and I only chose teams that I knew had good coaches who know what they're doing during recruiting):  St. Peter's (Mchristman), Manhattan (Northstorm), Tenn, Martin (Kybucki), Stephen F. Austin (Connor81), IUPUFW (Evongun), Birmingham-Southern (Drsnell), VMI (Jetwildcat), Tulane (Cornfused). 

If you look at any of those teams with an open mind, you'll see that yes, he could in fact, fit in with a low level D1 team with just a tiny bit of rating increases and not stand out like a sore thumb.  He's better than you're giving him credit for.
8/6/2012 2:51 AM
jjohn45
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Posted by bhay00 on 8/4/2012 12:08:00 AM (view original):
Hello all,

made a dumb mistake with one of my DII teams and offered a schollie to a center with 21 work ethic.   He is:

67 ath
63 reb
66 def
61 blk
42 lp 

with high/high potential in low post and low/high potential in rebounding.  

I plan on redshirting him, is it worth it to sign him or is his work ethic so bad that we will never be an efficient player?  Thanks.  

Just my 2 cents but I would sign the player in this case especially if  potental on defense was high. He might not be a DII all-american but can be a good role player w ith his ath he will get rebounds and get better in the low post. I don't know about anyone else but finding 75 work ethic players with high cores seem hard to find for all 12 spots.

8/6/2012 12:16 PM
tianyi7886
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From the post, I assume his ath is average. If so, he's a stud in D2. And emy is right, he could play pretty well in D1 once he maxes out.

For comparison's sake, I just signed this guy in ACC with C prestige:

Edmond Savoie
PF | 6'9" | 236 lbs. | 3.3 GPA
North Reading HS | North Reading, MA
PF
597
Preferences
Proximity Childhood Favorite
Far from Home Wake Forest

Potential
  Current
Rating		 Potential     Current
Rating		 Potential
Athleticism 60 High   Perimeter 10 High
Speed 40 Low   Ball Handling 13 Average
Rebounding 63 High   Passing 47 Low
Defense 53 High   Stamina 66 Average
Shot Blocking 55 High   Durability 86 Average
Low-post 72 Low   FT Shooting   Average


The maxed out ratings between these two players are around 10 points each in ath/def/sb. 

But in zbrent's defense, the difference among "elite D3" "average D2" and "low end D1" is marginal. 
8/6/2012 2:05 PM (edited)
ryrun
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So, ballpark numbers (assuming no lows either, which I suspect he has):

Ath - 75
Speed - 20
Reb - 85
Def - 70
Block- 70
LP - 70
Per - 20
BH - 20
Pass - 20
FT - 60%
How do you get to those final #'s?  At first I thought you were docking the potential due to his WE, but then you said that he might not even hit those number due to the low WE, so that can't be it.  It seems like you're lowballing and giving a worst case scenario for some reason, perhaps because it benefits your argument, but your final numbers are all over the place - sometimes you give the AVG an 8 point bump (ATH), sometimes you give it 4 (DEF), so it's confusing.  If I were guessing, I'd say his final #'s would look more like (assuming AVG for everything not given a potential by the OP):

ATH: 80
SPD: 20
REB: 85
DEF: 79
BLK: 74
LP: 70 (at least)
PER: 22
BH: 27
PAS: 27
STM: 90
FT: 60%

That's a beast in D2.  Even if he doesn't reach those numbers (surely there are some lows in there), he'll be good to great, without a doubt a starter for nearly any D2 team (he's a bit slow, but with the OP's sets, that's fine for a 5).  If the OP wants, he can go ahead and mortgage part of next season and give the guy some starts, getting his WE up around 35 by season's end I'd guess, and then he'll have a good shot at getting to this final projection.  I don't understand the low expectations for this player, I think he'll be very good.  

I agree with zbrent's comment about not wanting to just get by and wanting each recruit to be a home run, but sometimes circumstances don't allow for it - maybe you lose a battle and have to take a project that yo know will just be a role player, but you do it because that role player can still fit a need... maybe he's a defensive stopper or a beast rebounder - not everyone can be 90's across the cores in the lower divisions.  If you lose a battle, a lot of times even your backup plan has been swallowed up, so you have to take that "get what I can get" approach and just add depth.

8/6/2012 2:12 PM
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