Posted by isack24 on 5/21/2013 11:37:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by ike1024 on 5/21/2013 9:48:00 PM (view original):
I think you're pretty high on some of those ratings. Too high on spd, reb, def, per, and bh, in my opinion. 

And I am a true Lebron lover. No hate from me.

This all has to be relative, and illustrates why there shouldn't be so many players in D1 with ATH in the high 90s. And if LeBron were in college, his DEF would definitely be 100, and every other rating should be right around there, too (except for PER, maybe, although if he proves that his shooting can be consistent and his three-point shooting this year wasn't a fluke, it should be too).

Sure, but I guess I'm not sure why we're comparing 4-time-NBA-MVP Lebron James to 18-year olds. 

There are a lot of NBA players who would have exceptional ratings if we are comparing them to current college players. I didn't really think that was the point of the exercise.

Well there's no NBA Dynasty in WIS, so I see the ratings as what they would be in college. If not, then I actually agree with all of your assessments other than defense.

And I am a Celtics fan...

Yeah, I think that makes it tough. I guess I was thinking of it as Lebron compared to his peers (if anyone qualifies), not necessarily college players.

Ha, if he's compared to college players, he'd be 105 in everything.

So use college age LeBron, IE his first couple of seasons.  I'd give him something like:

Ath: 100
SPD: 97
Reb: 87
DEF: 92
BLK: 90
LP: 100
Per: 83
BH: 92
Pass: 100
Stam: 98
Dur: 96
WE: 90

I think some other people massively underrated his Pass and BLK and overrated his BH and Per.  But he should wind up somewhat unreasonably high; by his second and third seasons, he was putting up monster numbers and was part of the "best player in the NBA" debate, so in college as a soph or junior he would have just been obscene.

Posted by isack24 on 5/21/2013 11:37:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by ike1024 on 5/21/2013 9:48:00 PM (view original):
I think you're pretty high on some of those ratings. Too high on spd, reb, def, per, and bh, in my opinion. 

And I am a true Lebron lover. No hate from me.

This all has to be relative, and illustrates why there shouldn't be so many players in D1 with ATH in the high 90s. And if LeBron were in college, his DEF would definitely be 100, and every other rating should be right around there, too (except for PER, maybe, although if he proves that his shooting can be consistent and his three-point shooting this year wasn't a fluke, it should be too).

Sure, but I guess I'm not sure why we're comparing 4-time-NBA-MVP Lebron James to 18-year olds. 

There are a lot of NBA players who would have exceptional ratings if we are comparing them to current college players. I didn't really think that was the point of the exercise.

maybe you should be posting on a different topic then

Posted by ike1024 on 5/20/2013 9:58:00 PM (view original):
The best part is that he didn't win the CT once in those four years. 

Winning the ACC-Allen CT is roughly similar to making the Final Four.

Also a reminder of the luck element that's inherent in any game like this -- I was losing toss-up games in the CT, but winning them in the NT. Easily could have been the other way around. (And often against conference mates in the latter parts of the NT.)

Posted by girt25 on 5/22/2013 12:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ike1024 on 5/20/2013 9:58:00 PM (view original):
The best part is that he didn't win the CT once in those four years. 

Winning the ACC-Allen CT is roughly similar to making the Final Four.

Also a reminder of the luck element that's inherent in any game like this -- I was losing toss-up games in the CT, but winning them in the NT. Easily could have been the other way around. (And often against conference mates in the latter parts of the NT.)

This.

I have only lost to 1 non-ACC team in the NT in the last 12 or so seasons.

Posted by girt25 on 5/22/2013 12:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ike1024 on 5/20/2013 9:58:00 PM (view original):
The best part is that he didn't win the CT once in those four years. 

Winning the ACC-Allen CT is roughly similar to making the Final Four.

Also a reminder of the luck element that's inherent in any game like this -- I was losing toss-up games in the CT, but winning them in the NT. Easily could have been the other way around. (And often against conference mates in the latter parts of the NT.)

That was my point. It was mostly an Evil Empire post.

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/22/2013 1:06:00 AM (view original):
So use college age LeBron, IE his first couple of seasons.  I'd give him something like:

Ath: 100
SPD: 97
Reb: 87
DEF: 92
BLK: 90
LP: 100
Per: 83
BH: 92
Pass: 100
Stam: 98
Dur: 96
WE: 90

I think some other people massively underrated his Pass and BLK and overrated his BH and Per.  But he should wind up somewhat unreasonably high; by his second and third seasons, he was putting up monster numbers and was part of the "best player in the NBA" debate, so in college as a soph or junior he would have just been obscene.

That's probably pretty close. Maybe a little high on lp.  Obviously he's a great finisher, but he really doesn't have much of a post game, especially not back then. I think he gets docked a little for his back-to-the-basket game, but he is still a stud because of his finishing ability in the lane.

Here's the way I think about it, and maybe this is wrong: to give a 100, you have to be saying he is equal to the greatest of all time at that rating. Would his ath meet that standard? Probably. Pass? Maybe, but I think he's probably just a step below the most elite passers of all time. Maybe a 98 or 99. LP? I don't think so. Probably more like a 93 or 94.

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Posted by ike1024 on 5/21/2013 9:48:00 PM (view original):
I think you're pretty high on some of those ratings. Too high on spd, reb, def, per, and bh, in my opinion. 

And I am a true Lebron lover. No hate from me.

This all has to be relative, and illustrates why there shouldn't be so many players in D1 with ATH in the high 90s. And if LeBron were in college, his DEF would definitely be 100, and every other rating should be right around there, too (except for PER, maybe, although if he proves that his shooting can be consistent and his three-point shooting this year wasn't a fluke, it should be too).

Sure, but I guess I'm not sure why we're comparing 4-time-NBA-MVP Lebron James to 18-year olds. 

There are a lot of NBA players who would have exceptional ratings if we are comparing them to current college players. I didn't really think that was the point of the exercise.

maybe you should be posting on a different topic then

Really? Lebron vs. 18-year olds was the point of this topic? Interesting.