The only thing you can trust is word on the Streets. The order changes everytime you click on the recruit.

Posted by KVegas on 8/6/2015 7:32:00 PM (view original):
My guy now says Our sources believe that he's struggling between Drew and Marywood.

Don't have anymore money to put into the guy. Hopefully he signs.

you must have put in some effort since it said this - the WOTS only updates every 12 hours. its not random. the first team on WOTS is always ahead.

Posted by gillispie1 on 8/8/2015 5:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by KVegas on 8/6/2015 7:32:00 PM (view original):
My guy now says Our sources believe that he's struggling between Drew and Marywood.

Don't have anymore money to put into the guy. Hopefully he signs.

you must have put in some effort since it said this - the WOTS only updates every 12 hours. its not random. the first team on WOTS is always ahead.

Never did after that message, ran out. Last try was on 8/5. He declined minutes and start but still signed.

Date	Description	Cost
8/5/2015	declined guaranteed minutes - (15)	$10
8/5/2015	declined guaranteed starting spot	$10
8/4/2015	declined guaranteed starting spot	$10

after which message?  after the scholarship message or after the 2:00 WOTS.  What time did you get the scholarship message that you posted?

Did the other guy fill his scholarships?

Yea there's been some crazy stuff going on, last recruiting period in Phelan I was battling for 2 kids, both battles were against sim coached schools (1 DII the other DIII) and with no money left, WOTS listing me second on both, and getting the same last message from both the "I love your program, but I need to give each school my full attention" which from what I've read is a "behind" message, so then 3 or 4 cycles went by before I checked back in, there were no new messages other than the 2 from the AD saying they both signed!! The ****** part is after the last WOTS came out I was kinda ****** so I removed them from my recruiting summary page and deleted all emails pertaining to the 2 basically writing them off thinking I was beat!! I know when I looked earlier in the recruiting period at both schools each had more openings than kids considering them so I don't think they could have filled all scholarships causing both kids to fall into my lap so I don't understand it at all, it went against everything I've read on here about the "signs" of being ahead or behind. The only thing I could come up with was that both schools informed them of redshirts?? But I thought I would have recieved a new message if by them doing it had enough negative effect that it put me in the lead.

Posted by duece_duece on 8/10/2015 2:21:00 AM (view original):
Yea there's been some crazy stuff going on, last recruiting period in Phelan I was battling for 2 kids, both battles were against sim coached schools (1 DII the other DIII) and with no money left, WOTS listing me second on both, and getting the same last message from both the "I love your program, but I need to give each school my full attention" which from what I've read is a "behind" message, so then 3 or 4 cycles went by before I checked back in, there were no new messages other than the 2 from the AD saying they both signed!! The ****** part is after the last WOTS came out I was kinda ****** so I removed them from my recruiting summary page and deleted all emails pertaining to the 2 basically writing them off thinking I was beat!! I know when I looked earlier in the recruiting period at both schools each had more openings than kids considering them so I don't think they could have filled all scholarships causing both kids to fall into my lap so I don't understand it at all, it went against everything I've read on here about the "signs" of being ahead or behind. The only thing I could come up with was that both schools informed them of redshirts?? But I thought I would have recieved a new message if by them doing it had enough negative effect that it put me in the lead.

Honestly, I don't even know were to begin my questions considering what was said in that post.

Are you 100% sure that all the teams/battles you referred to were agianst sim controlled coaches?

Positively!! I want say the DIII school was E. Connecticut St. probably about 95% sure on that one but the DII school I honestly don't remember I'm thinking it was in Arkansas but not near as confident in that one, the only thing I clearly remember was that they were like a C- maybe even D+ prestige which Is why I took on the battle in the first place. Also with both kids I never recieved "ahead" messages at any point. I remember being down to around $500 and some change and debating on which kid I thought I had the best shot at signing because I didn't want to lose both so I spent the last of what I had on the kid I was in the battle with the DII school over. I'm using my iPad so I can't (or at least I don't know how to) create a link so I hope this works.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14663&pid=3118595 this is the DIII kid

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=3118597 and this was the DII kid

They both signed on the same cycle and I believe it was on the 30th at 11am ET. If I remember correctly the last of my $ was put in right before the 2am cycle on the DII kid and then I read the WOTS message after the cycle rolled over, I think I read the WOTS message around 2:35ish and it said struggling between both of us but listed the other school first and that's when I went ahead and removed them from summary and deleted all emails pertaining to them.

This just crossed my mind....do sim schools ever redshirt kids because if they don't then I'm really lost as to how and why I got either of them to sign.

Posted by duece_duece on 8/10/2015 5:34:00 AM (view original):
Positively!! I want say the DIII school was E. Connecticut St. probably about 95% sure on that one but the DII school I honestly don't remember I'm thinking it was in Arkansas but not near as confident in that one, the only thing I clearly remember was that they were like a C- maybe even D+ prestige which Is why I took on the battle in the first place. Also with both kids I never recieved "ahead" messages at any point. I remember being down to around $500 and some change and debating on which kid I thought I had the best shot at signing because I didn't want to lose both so I spent the last of what I had on the kid I was in the battle with the DII school over. I'm using my iPad so I can't (or at least I don't know how to) create a link so I hope this works.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14663&pid=3118595 this is the DIII kid

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=3118597 and this was the DII kid

They both signed on the same cycle and I believe it was on the 30th at 11am ET. If I remember correctly the last of my $ was put in right before the 2am cycle on the DII kid and then I read the WOTS message after the cycle rolled over, I think I read the WOTS message around 2:35ish and it said struggling between both of us but listed the other school first and that's when I went ahead and removed them from summary and deleted all emails pertaining to them.

I mean (and I'm honestly not trying to be rude or anything) you can't say "Positively!!!", then admit that you're less than 100% sure (which is what I specifically asked)...especially about several aspects widely considered as facts.

If what you are saying is true then there are several things (off the top of my head) that we as a community need to re-examine.

Posted by duece_duece on 8/10/2015 5:42:00 AM (view original):
This just crossed my mind....do sim schools ever redshirt kids because if they don't then I'm really lost as to how and why I got either of them to sign.

No, sims do not...which was just one of those off the top questions.

The positively comment was answering the question of whether or not they were both sims, yes absolutely 100% sure they were, which school is what I don't completely remember but I'm almost certain the DIII I was battling with was E. Conn. St. the DII school I don't remember.

Sorry for the confusion, and just to let you know I'm not pulling this out of my *** here is my post on our Coaches Corner I made later that night.

7/31
11:38 PM duece_duece
Wow I can't believe I signed all 3 of these guys!! WOTS had me listed second on the last 2 and with no more effort they both signed with me??? The last message from both were on the what is listed as behind. The only thing I can think happened ...
7/31
11:38 PM duece_duece
...is the sim schools informed them of their intention to redshirt them but I would have thought I should have recieved a new scholarship message. CRAZY!! I'll take it they're all going to be good and depending on how high the HH's go ...
7/31
11:38 PM duece_duece
...they could be one of my best all round classes ever!! Oh and congrats Biggie, nice to hear you have Millsaps headed in the right direction!!

Posted by duece_duece on 8/10/2015 6:24:00 AM (view original):
Sorry for the confusion, and just to let you know I'm not pulling this out of my *** here is my post on our Coaches Corner I made later that night.

7/31
11:38 PM duece_duece
Wow I can't believe I signed all 3 of these guys!! WOTS had me listed second on the last 2 and with no more effort they both signed with me??? The last message from both were on the what is listed as behind. The only thing I can think happened ...
7/31
11:38 PM duece_duece
...is the sim schools informed them of their intention to redshirt them but I would have thought I should have recieved a new scholarship message. CRAZY!! I'll take it they're all going to be good and depending on how high the HH's go ...
7/31
11:38 PM duece_duece
...they could be one of my best all round classes ever!! Oh and congrats Biggie, nice to hear you have Millsaps headed in the right direction!!

Are you absolutely sure you put no more effort into either of those players and were listed second after the last WOTSs came out?

I think more and more bugs in recruiting are popping up. Lately I've had lots of weird issues at D3, like kids on my D3 list rejecting all HV and CV (even if I send a letter with them) and kids on my D2 list (> 70 miles away) giving me immediately recruitable messages but then not accepting any HV or CV.