Posted by jsajsa on 1/7/2016 7:51:00 PM (view original):
Man that stewdog is such a slacker... he has one guy under 90 ATH. Come on, couldn't you find someone better?

In all seriousness though, those runs are incredible. Really impressive stuff!

hey jsa. you think you will ever move up? you have done some pretty incredible stuff down in d3, holding that 10 year d3 dynasty #1 spot, holding the all time longest final 4 streak record, and who knows what else. but more significantly (in terms of my interest in seeing you move up), i really like the way your teams are built. there are a lot of guys who come into the lower divisions and kill it, but when i look at their teams, i feel like they aren't quite the work of art i was hoping for. i really think your approach would scale, been hoping you'd move up for a while, i love watching younger coaches kick butt and grow and all that. its exciting. so, you ever gonna appease an old man like me, and make a commitment to d1?

Posted by darnoc29099 on 1/7/2016 2:17:00 PM (view original):
Another thing worth mentioning is hofhof runs FB, a more non conventional offense in high D1.

yeah, i was really happy to see that, when i first noticed his program. i love fb/man in d1, when i finally started getting into the game again, after so long half (90%) retired, it was by getting into fb. i coached fb/man at south carolina in tark, and i totally fell in love. it wasn't an amazing program or anything, but it was a tough rebuild next to a dominant ACC, and i thought fb/man really had some potential. i quit not much later, so sadly i didn't really see it through all the way, but still, its definitely a great and very interesting set. plus, i tire of all the "press is magic" stuff, even though press is pretty god damn great. but anyway, its awesome the greatest d1 program ever (IMO) is a fb/man program :) 

what is ultra-intriguing about the whole thing - hofhof has only ever really coached that 1 program. he has other programs in that world while he was learning, but that is his one big one. to think, a guy with just 1 program after he learned the game and moved up to high d1 - and its arguably the greatest program in the history of the game! wonder what else he could do, if he coached somewhere else? 

Just not interested in DI. Sorry. Game of scale, as in different heights and expectations based on the level of program you're in, just doesn't appeal to me. I prefer competition where anyone and everyone can compete at the top very quickly and at any time, all you have to do is be a good coach. To each their own.

ok, i get that. when i started, i wasn't dying to get to d1 or anything, but i wanted to play all divisions. what feels foreign to me, is the idea that coaches who start and get really into it, don't want to experience the whole game. its not that i think d1 is more appealing inherently or anything. but i get where you are coming from. when i started, it also wasn't exactly like today, mid majors could be pretty damn good. i took over a c+ bcs program who hadn't made the NT in like 5 seasons, and won a title in my 3rd season, as a d1 rookie who couldn't recruit for ****. so it was much more of a level field back then, it didn't have some of the major turn-offs it has today.

Posted by KVegas on 1/6/2016 4:02:00 PM (view original):
Eh, seems to me once you get at the helm there is not much skill involved. Wasn't it stewdog who posted recently about not being considered by a recruit which he thought was odd because he can get anyone he wants with no problem?

Extremely jealous Congrats

That was me, and you obviously missed my point.
If I spend 10k on a local recruit and he is considering NO ONE, including the guy who won 3 of the last four national championships at that time, there's an obvious error.

And there was. Admin looked into it and admitted it and apologized.

Trust me, I know recruiting is easier now at my prestige level than it used to be... I actually just got a d3 team to re- learn the game at that level (fun challenge)... But it is extremely tough to get to that level. Extremely tough. If it wasn't, everyone would do it.

Posted by jsajsa on 1/7/2016 7:51:00 PM (view original):
Man that stewdog is such a slacker... he has one guy under 90 ATH. Come on, couldn't you find someone better?

In all seriousness though, those runs are incredible. Really impressive stuff!

Nice,,,
I actually recruited him on purpose over a five star because I knew with his speed, per, bh/pass, he would actually be a good four year backup pg with my press that could contribute and would not go NBA early. He wouldn't work in a man D. My weaknesses often have to do with iq and losing too many ee's so to compensate, I started intentionally going after one-two roster spots of four year guys. It has worked well.


One more thing...
I do NOT go for guys based on rankings or stars.
I intentionally go for guys based on particular need, fit, and ability in a few key areas. Ie- I always want x number of functional pg's on the roster, x number of per shooters at all times, rebound/ defense guys, lp scorers, people to develop to take these guys places, etc.
I have a formula down for what I want and the longevity of winning is because I had to be intentional with ee's and roster spots and needs.
I regularly pass higher ranked players for lesser players who fit my need/ system better.
Recent recruiting example- I could likely have gotten around (four of ) 12 of the top 28 guys, I intentionally passed on 5 top-ten guys on purpose (I got 3 in the teens, so it's not crap I'm getting) and even intentionally got a #50 something with higher ranked guys close by.
Why? I dnot use small forwards as much as other positions... I needed two perimeter scorers.... I needed one four year guy who could contribute as a backup pg with a high iq, I didn't like the number one SG in my backyard as much as I liked the #3 in an area I could get, and I didn't want to compete with cinference mates for a similar player I could get competing against a different conference.

It is more than a formula for me to keep it sustainable, it takes roster flexibility (matchups are huge is post season), types of players, and admittedly lots of luck.

Btw- thanks for the props, gill. No one in real life cares about this stuff!!! Especially my wife!

Posted by jsajsa on 1/7/2016 10:23:00 PM (view original):
Just not interested in DI. Sorry. Game of scale, as in different heights and expectations based on the level of program you're in, just doesn't appeal to me. I prefer competition where anyone and everyone can compete at the top very quickly and at any time, all you have to do is be a good coach. To each their own.

There's always D2, which has the same level playing field but is (in my opinion) quite a bit tougher than D3. 

Wow. The guys stewdog just recruited at GA Tech in Iba...wow.

I'd be glad if my mid-major DI could have seniors with those ratings.

I wish DI were more like DII and DIII so that any team could compete.

I hadn't realized that gillispie1 has been on a torrid run at Kansas in Tarkanian.

Probably the greatest run ever at D1 from what I am aware of...

Check out his Kansas team - FIVE national titles in a row - amazing. Better than stewdog who also had a recent insane run at Geogia Tech in Iba.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=11914

Gillispie also has 6 out of 7 in that run and 7 out of last 10 national titles with that team.

It has been an incredible run by gillispie! He is so good at giving others credit for the awesome coaching they do, but it is time for him to receive some props as well. First ever D1 5 peat and he has taken 7 of the last 10. The run may come to an end this year with 5 EE's but this run was a unbelievable task! Well done Jeff!

thanks! i didn't realize, but hofhof is on another complete tear again too - just pulled in another back to back, giving him 5 titles in the last 7 seasons.

in terms of "run", implying short term, kansas does almost definitely take the cake with this recent run, 7 titles and 9 final fours in 10 years, with the 5peat. i actually basically tied stewdog 2 titles ago on the 10yr list (we were up 1 point out of almost 500 points, so essentially a tie), then won 2 more, so the 10 year (and 5 year) spots are safely mine now. but hofhof still has the 20/30 and he might still be running up his lead. that program is incredible. great runs are fun but there is a lot of luck in them. hofhof doesn't have the best run, but he does have the best dynasty in the history of the game, and i think that is worth more. really quite an amazing program he has there.

i really owe much of my success at KU to his dominance... and stewdogs. i would have never started pushing for these kind of results if they hadn't started setting the world on fire with their own programs. my goal is to try to pass hofhof and even with the 5peat, i actually still have a ways to go :) what a job hes done!

edit: link
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=3495