Posted by guyo26 on 3/8/2016 3:06:00 PM (view original):
Also, notice that all the tacked threads about changes are ... gone. so hope someone kept all that info

Not gone, just unpinned.

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 3/8/2016 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 3/8/2016 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Camps

• A handful of pre-set regional camps located around the country.
• Cost is $30 per player, so about $3,000.
• All players in camp become visible with Level 1 information.
• (OR)
• Hold camp at your school.
• Can be scheduled at any time.
• Cost is $50 per player attending, so $5,000 for a 100-player camp.
• Level 2 information revealed.
• Could also count toward generating interest during recruiting period for all recruits to attend.

I see no differentiation in cost between camps in urban or rural areas.
I also haven’t seen much discussion of using camp at your school to your advantage during the season. I guess guys think they can use that to their advantage if they keep quiet about it.

Spud, the cost of the camps are the same. The value relative to the costs are not.

If Villanova holds a private camp outside Philadelphia and buys the regional camp closest to the school in New York City...and Montana State holds a private camp in Bozeman and buys the regional camp closest to them in Los Angeles, both schools have spent the same amount of money.

The similarities end there.

Sure. The camps that Villanova hold/access only show a very small fraction of the total recruits, while the ones from Montana State show a lot higher percentage of available recruits. There are also far fewer teams vying for those western recruits.

So, there are some advantages to each scenario. The guys in the east may have to hold more camps to find everyone,etc.

Well, I just don't know what else to say. Selbe stated that something like the Top 50 or 100 recruits will be seen by everyone for free. I went into one world just to see the distribution of where those recruits are located. As you would suspect, the heavily populated areas have the vast majority of Top 100 players. The corridor between northern VA and Boston (which Villanova roughly sits in the middle of) had 24 of the 100. Montana had 2.

The camps a high prestige Villanova holds are for their backup options, someone they want to RS, a project player, etc. Most of their primary targets are revealed to them without them doing a thing or spending a dime. Montana State, on the other hand, needs those camps to fill their entire roster because they'll be hard pressed to land the 2 guys locally in the Top 100...probably won't have the prestige high enough to even make a go for them.

It is not the same. At least with FSS, a way-out-there school could wait towards the end of recruiting and buy the entire country to pick up any scraps and that will be taken away. Isolated schools could have a very tough time.

An A+ school might not even need to spend money on camps if they regularly sign 4 and 5 star recruits.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 3/8/2016 5:08:00 PM (view original):
An A+ school might not even need to spend money on camps if they regularly sign 4 and 5 star recruits.

Well, if they don't spend Scouting money Scouting then they can't spend it recruiting, so that's fine if they don't want to scout. But I think you will find when guys HAVE to spend a fair market value for all their recruits and can't get a couple of 5 star guys for 10K each, they may need to find some guys outside the top 100 to fill out their classes.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 3/8/2016 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 3/8/2016 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Camps

• A handful of pre-set regional camps located around the country.
• Cost is $30 per player, so about $3,000.
• All players in camp become visible with Level 1 information.
• (OR)
• Hold camp at your school.
• Can be scheduled at any time.
• Cost is $50 per player attending, so $5,000 for a 100-player camp.
• Level 2 information revealed.
• Could also count toward generating interest during recruiting period for all recruits to attend.

I see no differentiation in cost between camps in urban or rural areas.
I also haven’t seen much discussion of using camp at your school to your advantage during the season. I guess guys think they can use that to their advantage if they keep quiet about it.

Spud, the cost of the camps are the same. The value relative to the costs are not.

If Villanova holds a private camp outside Philadelphia and buys the regional camp closest to the school in New York City...and Montana State holds a private camp in Bozeman and buys the regional camp closest to them in Los Angeles, both schools have spent the same amount of money.

The similarities end there.

The similarities most certainly do not end there. Presently, since the quality of recruits is spread out over the country in the same distribution that the recruits themselves are spread out, 50 rural recruits will, in the long run, have the same aggregate quality as 50 urban recruits. That isn't going to change with this update, and that is the key similarity of all. The two regional camps and the two school camps you describe will, again on average, have recruits of the same aggregate quality.
However, the current cost for a rural school to see 50 recruits is far greater than the cost for an urban school to see 50 recruits. Making that cost equal is one way in which rural schools will benefit as compared to the present system in which geography impacts the costs the rural schools experience. Hopefully that is clearer now. Note also that this applies to scouting but not necessarily to recruiting.

Posted by CoachSpud on 3/8/2016 7:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 3/8/2016 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 3/8/2016 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Camps

• A handful of pre-set regional camps located around the country.
• Cost is $30 per player, so about $3,000.
• All players in camp become visible with Level 1 information.
• (OR)
• Hold camp at your school.
• Can be scheduled at any time.
• Cost is $50 per player attending, so $5,000 for a 100-player camp.
• Level 2 information revealed.
• Could also count toward generating interest during recruiting period for all recruits to attend.

I see no differentiation in cost between camps in urban or rural areas.
I also haven’t seen much discussion of using camp at your school to your advantage during the season. I guess guys think they can use that to their advantage if they keep quiet about it.

Spud, the cost of the camps are the same. The value relative to the costs are not.

If Villanova holds a private camp outside Philadelphia and buys the regional camp closest to the school in New York City...and Montana State holds a private camp in Bozeman and buys the regional camp closest to them in Los Angeles, both schools have spent the same amount of money.

The similarities end there.

The similarities most certainly do not end there. Presently, since the quality of recruits is spread out over the country in the same distribution that the recruits themselves are spread out, 50 rural recruits will, in the long run, have the same aggregate quality as 50 urban recruits. That isn't going to change with this update, and that is the key similarity of all. The two regional camps and the two school camps you describe will, again on average, have recruits of the same aggregate quality.
However, the current cost for a rural school to see 50 recruits is far greater than the cost for an urban school to see 50 recruits. Making that cost equal is one way in which rural schools will benefit as compared to the present system in which geography impacts the costs the rural schools experience. Hopefully that is clearer now. Note also that this applies to scouting but not necessarily to recruiting.

In Smith right now, I can FSS Montana, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, and New Mexico for $1653 and see 194 DI recruits. New York by itself costs $1714 for 127 DI recruits.

So in Smith, both a rural school and an urban school can FSS eight less-populated states for $1653 or NY state for $1714. The number of recruits of interest to those schools depends on their Division and the divisional distribution of the recruits. It won't be the same for D1, D2 and D3 schools since, if I'm not mistaken, FSS only returns athletes thought to be in your division.

Posted by CoachSpud on 3/8/2016 8:19:00 PM (view original):
So in Smith, both a rural school and an urban school can FSS eight less-populated states for $1653 or NY state for $1714. The number of recruits of interest to those schools depends on their Division and the divisional distribution of the recruits. It won't be the same for D1, D2 and D3 schools since, if I'm not mistaken, FSS only returns athletes thought to be in your division.

Pretty sure FSS gets everyone in the state. Now they may not all be recruitable by you, but you buy the whole state.

FSS absolutely gives you everyone in the state.

Okay, I'll buy that. I was wrong, FSS returns all recruits in the state, even ones outside your division. It's still exactly the same return for a rural school and an urban school.