Posted by gillispie1 on 10/12/2016 12:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chemguy1979 on 10/11/2016 7:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 10/11/2016 6:27:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 10/11/2016 6:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 10/10/2016 9:54:00 PM (view original):
How many of these threads saying the same thing do we need to see? They did the update. They aren't going to roll it back. Live with it. Quit or stay.

This thread is about population of 6 conferences in 2 worlds. You are the only person to mention the update...(other than Hawk tangentially saying distance isn't as much a factor in the new system - he's allowed to say that right? I know folks are supposed to run any 3.0 comments by the PC police nowadays, but **** you...)

Look, there is no need for that kind of attack. Have I ever said anything like that to you? I am sorry you don't like the game .. but it is ridiculous for you to act like that. What is your problem?

You don't like the update, now you are trying to play I told you so. Everyone does on every update. This is the one that is taking WIS down. Then you guys start pulling for failure .. then you spam the forums with curse words and personal attacks like little children throwing a temper tantrum when their mommy doesn't buy them candy at WalMart.

If you really, really need to curse at me, I guess that is fine. I was in the Navy for 20 years, so it isn't something I haven't heard before.

Do you have kids? Would you like them to see you act this way? Maybe you don't care. You probably should.

Well said hughesjr.

except it was a 100% garbage terrible post. sorry, i like hughes, but his post was crap and you are blind if you see it any other way. dac's OP didn't say, na-na-na-na-na, i told you so, f**kers! he said wow, look at how crazy this is. that is perfectly reasonable and should be expected when insane things happen like the state of the BCS in rupp - we've never seen anything like it - why shouldn't it be posted about? then, hughes called him out, dac responded, and hughes whined about said response. nothing well said there.

the extent that people allow their bias with respect to the update, to color their perception of every single post on these board, its just absolutely ridiculous and completely out of control.

If this isn't the perfect example of confirmation bias and where this forum has gone, I don't know what is. I hate this. Gillespie, you were one of the first coaches on here that I viewed as a true giant of the game. I have learned a ton from your posts in the forums. I *respect* you as a coach who has been extremely successful and been helpful and logical for a long time. However, I have to disagree and hopefully you and others will take a little time to consider my opinion - but you certainly don't owe me that.

There have been multiple posts about world population, mass exoduses and how everyone is abandoning HD3. We get it, you don't like the update. Everything that hughes said about that is true. There is a significant population of people here who are actively trying to sabotage this forum because they are unhappy about the update. IT GETS OLD. There SHOULD BE some expected frustration from those of us who still are trying to embrace the changes and enjoy the game. I'm not saying you (or anyone) doesn't have a right to express their frustration with the changes... but to expect no one to take issue with it is naive, at best. Dac's response elevated the rancor to an entirely different level and was completely uncalled for. There was no justification for it and if you can't see that - then it is you who are victim to the bias coloring perception. If you don't like that hughes posted his response... fine - but the escalation of dac's response reveals a deeper motivation beyond just being upset about someone else being upset about another population thread.

Name names as the accusations are running rampant - who is actively trying to sabotage 3.0? The number of alleged saboteurs is nowhere close to the number of blind 3.0 apologists.

Nole, the frustration goes both ways. Maybe some are more negative than others, but some who are not happy would like their voice heard to hope changes are made to compromise for all to be happy with the new game, or at least feel it's acceptable. It doesn't help when everytime a negative post is made, or one suggesting changes, that someone from the WIS support group feels the need to defend the game, or just as often insult others.

Ultimately you might be annoyed that Dac posted something you and others are tired of seeing, but in the end it's the truth, and while those who support the new game try to shut down those pointing out issues, even repeatedly, they may very well be contributing to the end. If these issues are not addressed, those world populations will not get better.

Just like I'm sure many of you will say, if you don't like the game leave, I would say if you don't like the post, leave the thread.

Posted by poncho0091 on 10/13/2016 1:39:00 AM (view original):
Nole, the frustration goes both ways. Maybe some are more negative than others, but some who are not happy would like their voice heard to hope changes are made to compromise for all to be happy with the new game, or at least feel it's acceptable. It doesn't help when everytime a negative post is made, or one suggesting changes, that someone from the WIS support group feels the need to defend the game, or just as often insult others.

Ultimately you might be annoyed that Dac posted something you and others are tired of seeing, but in the end it's the truth, and while those who support the new game try to shut down those pointing out issues, even repeatedly, they may very well be contributing to the end. If these issues are not addressed, those world populations will not get better.

Just like I'm sure many of you will say, if you don't like the game leave, I would say if you don't like the post, leave the thread.

"It doesn't help when everytime a negative post is made, or one suggesting changes, that someone from the WIS support group feels the need to defend the game ..."

Are you saying there aren't two sides to each issue? I think you are referring to hughesjr, chapelhillne, shoe3 and others responding to complaints with facts and strategies. That is what doesn't help the complainers. Maybe the negative posters should read those posts a little more carefully. I see a lot of fact and strategy being put forth by these guys and not a comparable effort by those who denigrate the game. So many of the complaints are one guy's idea about how the game "should" run, or yearning for a return to 2.0, or blanket condemnation of all that WIS does. Those don't present facts or ideas that elevate the conversation.

Posted by CoachSpud on 10/13/2016 11:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by poncho0091 on 10/13/2016 1:39:00 AM (view original):
Nole, the frustration goes both ways. Maybe some are more negative than others, but some who are not happy would like their voice heard to hope changes are made to compromise for all to be happy with the new game, or at least feel it's acceptable. It doesn't help when everytime a negative post is made, or one suggesting changes, that someone from the WIS support group feels the need to defend the game, or just as often insult others.

Ultimately you might be annoyed that Dac posted something you and others are tired of seeing, but in the end it's the truth, and while those who support the new game try to shut down those pointing out issues, even repeatedly, they may very well be contributing to the end. If these issues are not addressed, those world populations will not get better.

Just like I'm sure many of you will say, if you don't like the game leave, I would say if you don't like the post, leave the thread.

"It doesn't help when everytime a negative post is made, or one suggesting changes, that someone from the WIS support group feels the need to defend the game ..."

Are you saying there aren't two sides to each issue? I think you are referring to hughesjr, chapelhillne, shoe3 and others responding to complaints with facts and strategies. That is what doesn't help the complainers. Maybe the negative posters should read those posts a little more carefully. I see a lot of fact and strategy being put forth by these guys and not a comparable effort by those who denigrate the game. So many of the complaints are one guy's idea about how the game "should" run, or yearning for a return to 2.0, or blanket condemnation of all that WIS does. Those don't present facts or ideas that elevate the conversation.

No spud, it's actually guys like you that have no facts or support. You try to piggy back on every positive thing said, even if it's false. You blindly support the game without a proper reference as to the ramifications of some of these changes. Who cares that the population is dying off, we'll just get more people, except that's probably not going to happen. Virtually anything negative said, you have to jump in and protect 3.0 like it's going to be hurt, and you conveniently leave out important context in your criticism which is one of the things that I respond to most negatively in these posts.

In addition, you spout out other people giving facts when in reality, they are giving their opinions. In case you forget, that entire discussion you just tried to point out began with me offering some thoughts on something I think could improve the current system and was met with, get over it, this is the game now and an assumption that I want to be told what to do and that I obviously don't have a clue how to play the new game.

It's hilarious when people tell me they love the new game that has many strategies and there was was only 1 way to scout and recruit before, but then one of those guys just spent pages arguing with me about this while at the same time we discussed our different strategies in the old game, yet he didn't even realize it. He spent 30 min for FSS while I spent 30 seconds. Looks like he tried to look at recruits before scouting states while I scouted states before looking at recruits. Sounds like we approached recruiting differently which supposedly didn't exist, and is supposedly why this game is so much better.

poncho, you go ahead and believe what you believe and I'll believe what I believe. I'll continue to play the game, enjoy it and learn from my experiences. I'll continue to learn from some of the forum posts as well. You go ahead and believe whatever you want.

Or believe what you don't want.