Prove that you're right. New people have joined.

new type of schoolyard chatter - my assertion can beat your assertion....

I don't think it's new.

Point is that one man's experience isn't the next man's experience. As kcsundevil pointed out, the system is working as intended wrt D3/D2 reaching up. It's just a risk to go after D1 from D3 when you KNOW they won't sign with you until the last day of recruiting. And the street goes both ways. If D1 waits til start recruiting a player that D2 or D3 has been on both recruiting cycles, they may get shut out. As they say, **** happens.

I knew this thread would devolve into something like this before I opened this. This is why I post much less on the forums.

First, I have a hunch that neither Mike or zorzii will convince the other person to agree with them.

Personally, I think recruiting is quite lovely in D3/D2 and very very flawed in D1. I like some of the suggestions on this thread. I hope this thread continues to have constructive conversation and doesn't further devolve like most other threads on this forum lately. Some players love 3.0 recruiting all the way around. Others think other aspects of 3.0 recruiting are broken. Some think 3.0 recruiting an absolute disaster and play anyway. Most likely, CS will do absolutely nothing about it, as WIS really feels like it's run by the managerial version of "SIM AI".

Specific to Mike - we all kind of know your opinion on 3.0 recruiting by now. You post a LOT, which is fine, but your opinions on 3.0 recruiting are kind of becoming repetitive IMO.
I understand that you like 3.0 recruiting the way it is. I think we completely get your point by now. You have been heard. I feel like you deter a lot of threads that have constructive and creative ideas by consistently arguing the same point over and over again. Do what you want with your time, Mike, but I feel that you're kind of beating a dead horse on this issue, and you're not going to change the minds of most people that believe that 3.0 recruiting should be improved (including myself).

This reminds me of some of the endless threads between Hillary and Trump supporters that used to clog up my Facebook feed.

Checked back tonight to see if anyone had posted but I didn't expect to see a hot thread! Ignoring the petty personal attacks, I agree with rednu about the the dead time being quite ridiculous. To be honest, there's no need for a long coaching change period, then recruiting, THEN coach signups. Why are we not allowing coach signups to happen during the coach change period? There's 3 days right there, and WIS needs to drop the EXTRA dead day where recruiting is over and nobody can schedule an exhibition game.

There are good things about 3.0 recruiting (I'm in D2), such as my ability to get way better players than in 2.0. The issue is that it's just not fun. I find about 15-20 guys I like with great potential and then see which ones are left alone by D1 for the first few cycles...by that point the elite D2's and some D1's have taken my best 10 prospects, and I put attn points on the remaining five guys and sit there and HOPE nobody else finds them. It's the same every season and it's boring as hell. 2.0 had some flaws for sure, but there were legitimate strategies and different avenues you could pursue to come up with a respectable class. For lower divisions, sit and wait has become the ONLY method for recruiting. It's just dumb IMO.

Posted by bbunch on 5/3/2017 6:02:00 PM (view original):

I knew this thread would devolve into something like this before I opened this. This is why I post much less on the forums.

First, I have a hunch that neither Mike or zorzii will convince the other person to agree with them.

Personally, I think recruiting is quite lovely in D3/D2 and very very flawed in D1. I like some of the suggestions on this thread. I hope this thread continues to have constructive conversation and doesn't further devolve like most other threads on this forum lately. Some players love 3.0 recruiting all the way around. Others think other aspects of 3.0 recruiting are broken. Some think 3.0 recruiting an absolute disaster and play anyway. Most likely, CS will do absolutely nothing about it, as WIS really feels like it's run by the managerial version of "SIM AI".

Specific to Mike - we all kind of know your opinion on 3.0 recruiting by now. You post a LOT, which is fine, but your opinions on 3.0 recruiting are kind of becoming repetitive IMO.
I understand that you like 3.0 recruiting the way it is. I think we completely get your point by now. You have been heard. I feel like you deter a lot of threads that have constructive and creative ideas by consistently arguing the same point over and over again. Do what you want with your time, Mike, but I feel that you're kind of beating a dead horse on this issue, and you're not going to change the minds of most people that believe that 3.0 recruiting should be improved (including myself).

This reminds me of some of the endless threads between Hillary and Trump supporters that used to clog up my Facebook feed.

Thanks for allowing me to do what I want with my time. Your blessing means a lot. That said, this forum is playground of "+1". "agreed", "" and whatever else that shows "I agree". Believe or not, ADMIN does read the forums. Dissenting opinions are needed. If you don't want me to be repetitive, tell the rest of the users to stop beating the same dead horse that I'm kicking.

You might have noticed I told zorzi I wasn't going to argue with him because it was pointless and neither of us was going to budge. But thanks for parroting that sentiment.

Posted by pdxblazerfan on 5/4/2017 12:43:00 AM (view original):
Checked back tonight to see if anyone had posted but I didn't expect to see a hot thread! Ignoring the petty personal attacks, I agree with rednu about the the dead time being quite ridiculous. To be honest, there's no need for a long coaching change period, then recruiting, THEN coach signups. Why are we not allowing coach signups to happen during the coach change period? There's 3 days right there, and WIS needs to drop the EXTRA dead day where recruiting is over and nobody can schedule an exhibition game.

There are good things about 3.0 recruiting (I'm in D2), such as my ability to get way better players than in 2.0. The issue is that it's just not fun. I find about 15-20 guys I like with great potential and then see which ones are left alone by D1 for the first few cycles...by that point the elite D2's and some D1's have taken my best 10 prospects, and I put attn points on the remaining five guys and sit there and HOPE nobody else finds them. It's the same every season and it's boring as hell. 2.0 had some flaws for sure, but there were legitimate strategies and different avenues you could pursue to come up with a respectable class. For lower divisions, sit and wait has become the ONLY method for recruiting. It's just dumb IMO.

This. It is worse in D3. I think some adjustments, minor ones, would fix it.

Saying "It is worse in D3" doesn't make it true.

The simple fact is that maybe 5-10% of all users post. So one can assume that 90-95% are content with the way it works or just don't care enough to vocalize their opinion. Perhaps that is why WifS ignores the suggestions in this forum.

I really think the "you have to sit and wait" approach isn't the only successful strategy at D3.

Balancing your budget to scout D3 /D2 and D1 players is something I find quite enjoyable about the game. If you are only (or mostly) scouting D1 I would suggest taking a different approach.

Trenton : I never said anything about scouting. I think scouting does work as intented. But most D3 teams and D2 teams now sit and wait. It's the best strat to get the best players. I do get some D2 players in D2... But they are hard to find. I get one or two near campus every recruiting session.

But they don't have to sit and wait. I was going to pull up an old thread, probably from November(after my first season), and see how much my viewpoint changed since then. I'm pretty sure I gave "n00b to 3.0 viewpoint" back then.

I've been enjoying my D3 team a lot. And feel like I'm moving in the right direction with my D2.

No they don't have to, and in fact finding lower rated guys in division with all greens and high WE is an amazing way to rebuild a team from scratch...the issue is that once a team is good, there's no way to break into the elites unless you have pull-downs from higher divisions...and that's where the sit and wait comes into play.

OK, I'll elaborate. I've found my targets for WCSU. I've gotten considerably better in scouting so I've got some scouting surplus. I'm now seeking one of two things: 1. A back-up plan in case D1/D2 coming calling 2. An upgrade over my targets. I'm not actively recruiting because we're between recruiting periods but I'm planning for a disaster and seeking better options. Either way, I'd "sit and wait". You're essentially asking for the risk to be removed from recruiting. If there's no risk/reward in this game, I'm not sure what we're doing.

I read through a thread like this, and the thing that is most striking is the lack of imagination. There is a *much wider* array of viable strategies in 3.0. It's true at D3, too. I took another team at the start of 3.0 to try the game out at D3, and I didn't find it hard at all to field competitive teams with D2 players. The only D1 guy I went after signed after I had already left for D1.

Can you field a competitive team with only D3 players? I don't know. Probably, if you're the only one scouting them, and have easy access to the high potential ones every year. The game doesn't force anyone to play a certain way. If everybody's playing the same way, find a new angle. Go where the value is. If you don't like sitting around until the last day of recruiting, then use another tactic.

I'm finding D1 recruiting to be more enjoyable than D3. It's partly due to the fact that you're usually trying your hardest to avoid battles and then playing the waiting game.