Posted by slayterhill on 7/5/2017 11:36:00 AM (view original):
The learning curve for a new user also pretty much wipes out the 1st class or 2. At least it did in my case. I didn't have a really good handle on evaluating players and recruiting strategies in D3 until probably my 4th or 5th class. That's a long time for a new user to hang in, but totally worth it in my opinion.

I can relate to that. Also takes a couple seasons to understand the standard of recruit you need to go after in order to be able to compete at the top.

Posted by cardman17 on 7/5/2017 12:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by slayterhill on 7/5/2017 11:36:00 AM (view original):
The learning curve for a new user also pretty much wipes out the 1st class or 2. At least it did in my case. I didn't have a really good handle on evaluating players and recruiting strategies in D3 until probably my 4th or 5th class. That's a long time for a new user to hang in, but totally worth it in my opinion.

I can relate to that. Also takes a couple seasons to understand the standard of recruit you need to go after in order to be able to compete at the top.

This sounds pretty simple but someone (emy I think) said, if you recruit guys who will be better than your graduating seniors your teams will always get better. It's a pretty sound rule in my opinion. Worry less about this guy having a 70 here and a 80 there and more holisitically, like is that dude better than the dude who is leaving.

You guys are totally right on the phases. I think because I was a coach who took some seasons off in Knight I was allowed to jump in at phase two. So definitely just an issue with a new job, but hopefully still useful for guys who think they are strapped.

Also, with the internationals. I only scout D1 level guys mainly. You're right Trenton, it's very costly. I feel like so much of the new system is based on getting lucky with who you scout internationally. You can easily blow your money scouting duds to level 2/3.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 7/5/2017 12:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cardman17 on 7/5/2017 12:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by slayterhill on 7/5/2017 11:36:00 AM (view original):
The learning curve for a new user also pretty much wipes out the 1st class or 2. At least it did in my case. I didn't have a really good handle on evaluating players and recruiting strategies in D3 until probably my 4th or 5th class. That's a long time for a new user to hang in, but totally worth it in my opinion.

I can relate to that. Also takes a couple seasons to understand the standard of recruit you need to go after in order to be able to compete at the top.

This sounds pretty simple but someone (emy I think) said, if you recruit guys who will be better than your graduating seniors your teams will always get better. It's a pretty sound rule in my opinion. Worry less about this guy having a 70 here and a 80 there and more holisitically, like is that dude better than the dude who is leaving.

Agreed. And taking it a step farther, just look at the entire team construction and the roles players have. You may lose 2 good bigs but you've brought in a player who can actually play PG or can actually score. Sim teams can be super imbalanced and have a whole bunch of players who aren't really good at anything. You can at least recruit a player (or hopefully players) that excel in 1 or 2 things which makes your team much better overall.

I think it's important to not try to hit a home run. This is probably pretty basic information, but I had to learn the hard way on one of my rebuilds. When 3.0 was rolled out, all I heard was teams could get better players than before. I was in DII then and I went all out on two or three studs I had no business recruiting from my position. So to TJ and Benis' point, all you're trying to do is move the needle. Realize you can't afford to miss out on a class and don't try to hit a home run with a C- DII team like I did. Move the needle until you can get to a place where you can reach for program-changing studs.

Posted by pallas on 7/5/2017 1:05:00 PM (view original):
I think it's important to not try to hit a home run. This is probably pretty basic information, but I had to learn the hard way on one of my rebuilds. When 3.0 was rolled out, all I heard was teams could get better players than before. I was in DII then and I went all out on two or three studs I had no business recruiting from my position. So to TJ and Benis' point, all you're trying to do is move the needle. Realize you can't afford to miss out on a class and don't try to hit a home run with a C- DII team like I did. Move the needle until you can get to a place where you can reach for program-changing studs.

This is solid advice Pallas. I had to adjust to targeting the right guys on my first couple D3 rebuilds. I think I shot too low on my first couple classes, then too high on the next class.

Now, I'm finding this most important at the low D1 level. Seems like prestige has so much more impact in D1 recruiting, that you're simply not gonna grab a program-changing homerun class in your first season with a D- school. So, I'm just trying to improve with each class, build the prestige up season by season, and wait for the right opportunity to go after the big boys.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 7/5/2017 12:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cardman17 on 7/5/2017 12:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by slayterhill on 7/5/2017 11:36:00 AM (view original):
The learning curve for a new user also pretty much wipes out the 1st class or 2. At least it did in my case. I didn't have a really good handle on evaluating players and recruiting strategies in D3 until probably my 4th or 5th class. That's a long time for a new user to hang in, but totally worth it in my opinion.

I can relate to that. Also takes a couple seasons to understand the standard of recruit you need to go after in order to be able to compete at the top.

This sounds pretty simple but someone (emy I think) said, if you recruit guys who will be better than your graduating seniors your teams will always get better. It's a pretty sound rule in my opinion. Worry less about this guy having a 70 here and a 80 there and more holisitically, like is that dude better than the dude who is leaving.

That's basically the strategy I implemented. I target home runs but I have the back ups who should still be as good if not better than the guy he'll be replacing. Also as you all have said, I learned to target players who's best attributes fit with the O/D I'm running.