Posted by MikeT23 on 8/4/2017 11:09:00 AM (view original):
Thanks. I don't even see a Florida team in that 48. zorzii just pushing his agenda/opinion again while ignoring facts.

And now we get to look at his bogus negative headline for the next week, even though it's been proven to be false.

npb7768 : You are my detractor. But check the stats on the winners page, you will see I am not that far off. California, Florida, DII, DIII seem to have an edge. As for the West, it looks like it has some power in D1.

zorzii, you are ignoring facts. You cherrypicked something that backs your contention but the facts, the E8 in all 6 divisions, are that all areas are well represented. Except Florida. Not a single FL team in that group of 48.

Do you really not see that?

I think Zorzii is fully right.

Zorzii Quotes:
"Recruit Generation Problem"
"Honestly, Calfornia, Florida have huge advantage in this new version."
You referenced 2 worlds, Tark and Allen.

"Huge advantage", though looking at the full list of Elite-8 teams in those 2 worlds, it shows the exact opposite.

Tark Elite-8:
24 teams on 3 levels.
4 from California.
0 from Florida.

Allen Elite-8
24 teams on 3 levels.
3 from California.
0 from Florida.

2 worlds.
48 total Elite-8 teams on 3 levels.
7 from California.
0 from Florida.

Please explain how this proves that a huge advantage has been given to California and Florida. Unless other worlds have shown an advantage for California and Florida, which you haven't claimed anyway.

Stop making ridiculous claims and i won't feel the need to make comments in your threads... for example, i haven't commented in your EE/Prestige thread because you made a good observation.

Posted by zorzii on 8/4/2017 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Mike : give up. I am right and that's a fact. Check the winners list. Do you know there aren't that many FL teams? At D3, only one.

No, you're being dense. No idea if it's intentional or simply your way.

Read these two sentences:
The last two National Championship game teams in college football were Alabama and Clemson. So it's pretty obvious that the only good CFB teams are Clemson and Alabama.

This thread makes no sense. I don't defend WIS often but 3.0 recruit generation code was not written with only 60 or so humans in mind at each level. Of course there are going to be gaping geographic holes when so few humans are playing. Lack of marketing or customer service, which clearly IS a WIS fault, may have contributed the low user base but the program itself really can't be faulted at this point. We have no idea which locations are truly advantageous (based on programming) and will never know barring a sharp increase in human teams at all three levels.

I don't have access to prior seasons for Allen, but here is the recent history in Tark so we can see if there are any trends.

Elite Eight teams in Tark D1 (champ-runner up-FF-FF-E8-E8-E8-E8)
Season 128: Denver, Syracuse, Michigan St, Utah, North Carolina, Kentucky, St. John's, Baylor
Season 127: Denver, UConn, LSU, Eastern Illinois, Georgia Tech, Utah, Kentucky, Duke
Season 126: Utah, Iowa, Stanford, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Florida State, North Carolina, UCLA
Season 125: Georgia Tech, Duke, Baylor, Maryland, UTEP, Utah, Syracuse, Ohio State
Season 124: Maryland, Villanova, Duke, Michigan St, UConn, Kentucky, Sam Houston, Michigan

Elite Eight teams in Tark D2 (champ-runner up-FF-FF-E8-E8-E8-E8)
Season 128: CSU-Bakersfield, East Strousberg (PA), Tarleton St (TX), Chadron St (NE), W. Alabama, Seattle, San Fran St, CSU-San Bern
Season 127: U of the Sciences (PA), CSU-Bakersfield, San Fran St, Quincy (IL), Indianapolis, Mercyhurst (PA), CSU-San Bern, Chadron St (NE)
Season 126: Tampa, Indianapolis, San Fran St, Clayton St (GA), Tarleton St (TX), St Rose (NY), S. Illinois-Edwardsville, West Georgia
Season 125: Montana St-Billings, San Fran St, St. Mary's (TX), Quincy (IL), N. Kentucky, Shaw (NC), S. Illinois-Edwardsville, Millersville (PA)
Season 124: Millersville (PA), E. New Mexico, St. Cloud St (MN), W. Chester (PA), S. Illinois-Edwardsville, U of Sciences (PA), Indianapolis, Chadron St (NE)

Elite Eight teams in Tark D3 (champ-runner up-FF-FF-E8-E8-E8-E8)
Season 128: Greensboro (NC), Stevens Tech (NJ), Brandeis (NY), Dallas (TX), Menlo (CA), Colorado, Millsaps (MS), Lynchburg (VA)
Season 127: Curry (MA), PBAU (FL), SUNY-Geneseo, Greensboro (NC), Lynchburg (VA), Baldwin-Wallace (OH), Methodist (NC), LaGrange (GA)
Season 126: PBAU (FL), SUNY-Geneseo, Suffolk (MA), Occidental (CA), Stillman (AL), Keuka (NY), Lynchburg (VA), LaGrange (GA)
Season 125: Brandeis (NY), LaGrange (GA), E. Texas Baptist, Pacific Lutheran (CA), Farleigh Dickinson (NJ), Lynchburg (VA), Colorado, SUNY-Gen
Season 124: Montclair (NJ), Lynchburg (VA), Texas-Tyler, Greensboro (NC), Dickinson (PA), Dallas (TX), Farleigh Dickinson (NJ), Stillman (AL)

Looking at this, I think it is inaccurate to say that playing out west or in Florida gives you a huge advantage. The fact that there were a lot of champs from the West seems like a fluke this year. And with the exception of Utah & Denver, D1 looks pretty normal. A lot of blue blood programs with an occasional midmajor.

BUT, I do notice a D2/D3 pattern. Because D2/D3 are relatively sparsely populated with humans, success at that level is all about grabbing D1 dropdowns in the second cycle. Because of the limited scouting/recruiting budgets at lower levels, you need to be in a geographic area that is going to produce a lot of D1 recruits. California, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Illinois are all over-represented at D2/D3. There isn't a "West plus Florida" bias; there is a "Be in a state that generates a lot of D1 recruits" bias.

There's no need to overcomplicate this.

Smith D1: TX-50, CA-49, NY-37, FL-30 are the top 4. I didn't check but I'd bet those states are top 5 in population.

Crum last season, 90:
24 Elite-8 teams across 3 levels.
4 California teams.
1 Florida team.

Naismith last season, 96:
24 Elite-8 teams across 3 levels.
2 California teams.
0 Florida teams.

Recap:
Previous seasons, 96 Elite-8 teams across 4 worlds (Tark, Allen, Crum, Naismith).
96 teams.
13 California teams, 13.54%
1 Florida team, 1.04%.

Would it be advantageous to be in a state that produces the most recruits? Probably. Especially if there's little competition.

Florida man, Florida! We would need stats from every worlds but Cal seem a good spot.

Posted by zorzii on 8/4/2017 4:09:00 PM (view original):
Florida man, Florida! We would need stats from every worlds but Cal seem a good spot.

Looking at states is not precise. DII Grand Canyon is only 250 miles from the San Diego metro, Oregon schools can easily grab the northern California recruits, etc. DIII Palm Beach Atlantic would be a questionable location if the DII Sunshine State conference was mostly full, even worse if DI Miami, FIU, FAU, USF and UCF were human controlled. The data everybody is using is, at best, skewed because there are 700+ SIMs in every world.

Posted by zorzii on 8/4/2017 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Mike : give up. I am right and that's a fact. Check the winners list. Do you know there aren't that many FL teams? At D3, only one.

"I am right and that's a fact" is a pretty ironclad argument. Might want to wave the ol' white flag, Mike.