You can get the top seed from a sim conference, but your margin for error is slim. It requires a top notch non conference schedule, and then you have to beat them all. Playing in a tough conference gives you more margin for error in non conference.

Posted by shoe3 on 5/29/2018 12:54:00 PM (view original):
You can get the top seed from a sim conference, but your margin for error is slim. It requires a top notch non conference schedule, and then you have to beat them all. Playing in a tough conference gives you more margin for error in non conference.

in my experience, it also depends on luck/sim team cycles. if the bulk of your sims are sub 200 rpi, forget about a top seed. if you have a few senior-heavy sim squads to add top 100 wins to your resume, then you have a shot.

For the record, i'm not saying "why should I not be a number 1 seed?!" If that's what anyone thinks. I should not be.

i'm looking at it from a perspective of a couple real life team examples .... And I know this is a game. Not real life.

take UK for an example. .. the SEC is down more than its up. If they finish the season 26-3 and going 4-3 against the top 15 they're getting a top 2 seed. They are ranked high and known to be good from the start.

well that's my situation. I started at #5, went 7-3 against the #2 schedule. Then have pounded every team since. It just seems odd overall. But it's all good.

SEC still is a Big 6 conference.

I think a better example is some of the bubble teams this past year that missed the tourney despite playing a decent non-conf schedule (St Marys?).

Posted by mullycj on 5/29/2018 5:00:00 PM (view original):
SEC still is a Big 6 conference.

I think a better example is some of the bubble teams this past year that missed the tourney despite playing a decent non-conf schedule (St Marys?).

St Marys isn't a good example here. They played a trash non conf schedule even though they had a good team coming back. Pretty foolish of them.

There was a bubble team that got screwed from a smaller conference. Can’t remember who it was.

Posted by mullycj on 5/29/2018 10:52:00 PM (view original):
There was a bubble team that got screwed from a smaller conference. Can’t remember who it was.

Last year Illinois State got snubbed.

SEC is a terrible example. Your conference is extremely weak, if you happened to be undefeated then I would compare your squad to the Great Gonzaga in the WCC. You make up for your easy conference with a brutal non conference. I would guess you’re sitting at a 3-4 seed in the projection report? Not bad. You should be set for good tourney run !

My SEC example is not a guideline for what i'm getting at guys. I'm talking about the fact that I've been solid the past few seasons. I was ranked #5 when season started in my respective division. As would a kentucky. (I know preseason rankings don't mean anything in general. But the system likes me apparently. I've been ranked top ten for 3 seasons and have finished top 10.)

my 3 losses dropped me a total of 3 spots. Over a 10 game period. As would a Kentucky. But my 20+ wins has buried me. I'm not getting analytical. I'm just saying it don't feel right. I'm not asking for sympathy or comparing my team to a big 6 conference. It's not even close. That's obvious. I'm now down to a 5 seed. (That's not the end of the world. And I agree that a Gonzaga is a much better overall example)

Posted by Wales_ on 5/29/2018 11:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 5/29/2018 10:52:00 PM (view original):
There was a bubble team that got screwed from a smaller conference. Can’t remember who it was.

Last year Illinois State got snubbed.

Illinois St was 2 years ago. And their non conference schedule was terrible that year. Zero good wins.

Posted by topdogggbm on 5/30/2018 4:04:00 AM (view original):
My SEC example is not a guideline for what i'm getting at guys. I'm talking about the fact that I've been solid the past few seasons. I was ranked #5 when season started in my respective division. As would a kentucky. (I know preseason rankings don't mean anything in general. But the system likes me apparently. I've been ranked top ten for 3 seasons and have finished top 10.)

my 3 losses dropped me a total of 3 spots. Over a 10 game period. As would a Kentucky. But my 20+ wins has buried me. I'm not getting analytical. I'm just saying it don't feel right. I'm not asking for sympathy or comparing my team to a big 6 conference. It's not even close. That's obvious. I'm now down to a 5 seed. (That's not the end of the world. And I agree that a Gonzaga is a much better overall example)

The ranking system values wins heavily while the projection report values SOS and the quality of wins. Gonzaga this past season is a good comparison. They played a tough non conf and had decent results. Then they did very well in their conference but it dragged them down to a 4 seed. Pretty similar to what you're experiencing here.

The one thing to remember is that other teams are playing games too. On any given night throughout the season you may have won a game against a 200+ RPI team while someone else just beat the #5 RPI team. So it doesn't seem that crazy to me that they would leapfrog you in the projection.

The problem comparing this to real life is that in real life you don't get a constant update after every single game for what the seedings are. I guess they're doing it a little bit with the top 16 thing now but that doesn't start after 10 games like we have in HD. So you can't really see how much you drop and move up throughout the season like in HD.

Posted by Benis on 5/30/2018 6:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Wales_ on 5/29/2018 11:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 5/29/2018 10:52:00 PM (view original):
There was a bubble team that got screwed from a smaller conference. Can’t remember who it was.

Last year Illinois State got snubbed.

Illinois St was 2 years ago. And their non conference schedule was terrible that year. Zero good wins.

Still felt like they were a tourney team to me at least. But yeah, that non conference schedule was pretty abysmal.

Posted by Wales_ on 5/30/2018 9:21:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by Wales_ on 5/29/2018 11:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 5/29/2018 10:52:00 PM (view original):
There was a bubble team that got screwed from a smaller conference. Can’t remember who it was.

Last year Illinois State got snubbed.

Illinois St was 2 years ago. And their non conference schedule was terrible that year. Zero good wins.

Still felt like they were a tourney team to me at least. But yeah, that non conference schedule was pretty abysmal.

Not in my book.

If you only play 3 games against teams that made the tourney and only win 1 of them, I'm not impressed. And then you lose 4 games against teams that didn't make the postseason, I'm even less impressed.

I think the problem is that people think I am comparing wrong things. And i am on paper. But i'm just talking about what i see and how I feel about it whether i'm wrong or right. I don't really care either way.

From a game perspective, I know what can be done to make things better. From the perspective of a coach of this team, I just feel shafted and no one can tell me otherwise. Haha.

But there are tournament games ahead to be played. And when i get to the final 4 or further, I'll come here and remind you all of what i was talking about.

(But if I get upset in the first round by a 12 seed, you won't hear a peep out of me. And I'll act like I never said any of this!)

Posted by bathtubhippo on 5/29/2018 3:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 5/29/2018 12:54:00 PM (view original):
You can get the top seed from a sim conference, but your margin for error is slim. It requires a top notch non conference schedule, and then you have to beat them all. Playing in a tough conference gives you more margin for error in non conference.

in my experience, it also depends on luck/sim team cycles. if the bulk of your sims are sub 200 rpi, forget about a top seed. if you have a few senior-heavy sim squads to add top 100 wins to your resume, then you have a shot.

I agree except that choosing the right Simmy coached teams for a top SOS is a skill and not based on luck. Tgblack consistently gets a top 10 non conference SOS every season by playing 8-9 Simmy coached teams in the Smith-Little E conference.