Player Profile: Luis Rodriguez - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports
14 Cy Youngs, 472 Wins, 2.18 ERA, over 5,000 Ks

Hands down best ever

OK: A synopsis of "at their peak" pitching numbers.

Control-Splits-Velo/GB-P1-3 Career WHIP ERA

Rodriguez: 86 92-98 91-80 86-74-74 0.94 2.18
Hernandez: 86 91-90 99-85 90-69-59 1.03 2.42
Tanaka: 99 94-96 25-79 80-80-75 0.92 2.06
Mays: 80 93-96 92-31 93-84-72 1.04 2.63
Aguilera: 93 94-93 91-22 85-76-72 1.06 2.90
Powell: 95 101-93 59-64 88-79-66 1.04 2.59 (Most of his career was around 98-90 Splits then had a late medical miracle after a 60- day stint)
Rollins: 81 91-98 84-95 86-85-56 0.93 1.96 (at age 31, he still near his prime....those are his current numbers)

So ranking them with some sort of system demands a system. How about this Control+vL+vR+(GBx.40)+P1+(P2x.80)+(P3x.40)
Left Velo out as there is some argument over what, if anything it means (I think it has impact) but we all agree GB is not a neutral number but not a deal breaker if other numbers are good (see Aguilera). By P1, P2 and P3 I mean the best three pitches a guy has, regardless of how they are listed on his card. I figured P1 was more valuable than P2 because it should get called more often. Then discounted P3 even more heavily for the same reason. Hey, humor me......it's my (just made up) system. Let's call the total the Moe #, shall we?

Name Moe # (Moe# ranking) WHIP ranking

Rodriguez = 490 pts. (3) 3
Hernandez = 470 (5) 4
Tanaka = 495 (1) 1
Mays = 463 (7) 5
Aguilera= 464 (6) 7
Powell = 492 (2) 5 (but Powell was at 483 discounting the Med. Miracle late in his career. 483 would rank him 3rd)
Rollins = 482 (4) 2

Interesting...and maybe of no use if my formula is worthless (which it probably is). But of all the guys above, just eyeballing their numbers, the one I would grab first is Tanaka. His 99 Control and two pitches in the 80's would seal the deal for me.

Rollins' WHIP rating is a bit out of place with his Moe #. I wonder if his huge GB rate means more DPs than the other guys, and then less batters to get a chance to get on base. Mays is slightly out of place, too. However he has the best P1-P2 combo.


Can't see Strong's peak numbers as he has yet to retire. 0.91 1.85
Ditto with Siqueros: 0.93 2.06 Will point out that he won 30 games in 7 consecutive years without starting a single game. Ergo, WAY goofy league.
Ditto Elcano. 1.07 2.94 (Bah....Humbug!)
Ditto Stetter: 1.09 2.65
Ditto Delgado 1.06 2.53
Ditto Martinez 1.00 2.23

IMO it's meaningless to compare raw statistics, as these players all play in different worlds, and different worlds have different environments. Literally apples and oranges. All you can actually compare is dominance.

With that said, Del Diaz. The only IFA I've known would be a guaranteed HOF player the very first time I saw his projections.

I get that damag. I know. That was my point about Siqueros. I did the Moe # thing as a lark....but those guys are all from different leagues and the Moe # 's correlate pretty well to actual WHIP and WHIP rankings, despite the differences in the leagues. What were Diaz's peak #'s? At 1.06/2.28 he is running an ERA about .30-.40 lower than guys with comparable WHIPs.

This guy is at least in the team photo, though he'll never accumulate the career stats as I have no idea what the guy before me was doing with this team: Player Profile: Melvin Snyder - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

Snider would have a Moe # of 503, topping Tanaka by 8 pts! Tanaka had career WHIP/ERA's of 0.92/2.06. Snyder is 1.05/2.57, more in line with Powell. But over the past 4 years (including the current one) Snider is at something like 0.95/2.11, quite in line with Tanaka. Minus his first and last seasons, Tanaka never had numbers worse than 1.17 and 2.64. But Snider had that terrible 1.32/4.07 season. Weird. Minus that campaign, he's the equal of Tanaka.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=8166285

He's got a Moe # of 498.8, which is higher than Trayvon Rollins so that's a win in my book! ...love you frymaster :)

I think you posted the wrong guy.

Player Profile: Dusty King - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

Recently traded him ;-( Only 29 he won 6 Cy Young in first 7 season .. He averages over 280IP so he's a horse. My favorite year, over 300IP 1.91ERA.

Does this work?

Irv Giolito

The thing about Dusty King is that he is basically worth an Ace AND an elite BP pitcher with the additional innings he can throw. I have to be strategic to get Giolito to 200+ innings but getting that extra 80+ innings from a guy like King is huge!

King has a 497 and 1.02

Including the guys mentioned above and some guys from Capra, it looks like the Moe # correlated to Median WHIPs like this:
490+ = 0.95 470-485= 1.03 460's=1.06 450's=1.11 430-445=1.20 410-425=1.25. Control in the 60's or 70's hurts guys with otherwise top-end numbers. So does a vL in the 60's, or P2's in the 50's-60's. Then actual WHIP is a bit higher than expected. It mostly works guys...and you can basically predict what a guy might be able to do with a certain Moe #. Might work well if you are signing FA (or trading for) guys who have been in huge pitcher's parks or in little band boxes and you want to guestimate a more neutral performance.

Here's my best ever, and I doubt I'll ever have one this good again:

Player Profile: Javier Juarez - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

93 control
89 vL
95 vR
91 velo
98-79-50-70-58 pitches

wish the 73 stamina was a bit higher, but I get 230+ IP per year out of him.

Age 30 w/ 7.320 service years (5 CYs & 6 ASG - hunting for 6th CY this year)
132-46 in 269 GS
2.08 ERA, 0.93 WHIP
1872 SO in 1753.1 IP
.188/.247/.281 opponent slash

Matt Ross didn't rack up the counting stats because he was 29 when Griffey World began, but his peak was insane. He was a beneficiary of the infamous training bug (if you maxed out training, pitchers would get much, much better), and then helped prove WiS messed up strikeouts one season (S5) with an engine tweak. Here are his peak ratings:

100 CTR
100 vsL
100 vsR
79 VEL
64 GB
100-81-69-60-66 pitches

11 Time All Star, 10 Time Cy Young, 2 Time GG_P, 4 World Series Rings
277-86, 0.93 WHIP, 2.18 ERA, 3,022 K in 15 seasons
S7: 26-4, 0.58 WHIP, 0.71 ERA, 334 K (he gave up only 23 ER all season)

I calculated his MOE score at 518, and his career WHIP is tied with Rollins for #2.

Wilfredo Rosales, a pitcher I had in Hamilton, is also worthy of consideration.

90 CTR
85 vsL
97 vsR
95 VEL
68 GB
84-80-53-54-52 pitches

14 Time All Star, 9 Time Cy Young, 1 Time NOHIT, 1 Time Silver Slugger P/DH, 1 World Series Ring
357-137, 1.01 WHIP, 2.43 ERA, 4,573 K in 21 seasons
S26: 21-7, 0.82 WHIP, 1.85 ERA, 248 K

I calculated his MOE score at 468.6, and his career WHIP would be 4th.