Posted by iamjoeyd on 7/31/2018 2:51:00 PM (view original):
That's NOT how you would do the math...

But at any rate, given that the speed (78-71) and defense (85-93) are relatively equal, that SIGNIFICANT athleticism difference makes player 1 the better option even with the IQ differential of about 15-20 pts.

How would you do the math?

The second half of this thread starts to talk about players roles. And even gives specific examples. I wrote earlier in another thread that I'd be open to site mails from people, discussing how they create their player roles, and why.....

My sitemail box remains empty as far as this topic. The offer is still on the table. I don't need exacts. I just wanna understand some logic behind it..... 'Why is your athleticism so high for triangle?"..... "Why do you ignore perimeter in this set?"..... things like that.

if interested in sharing ideas, please communicate back and forth. Instead of just one message. I'm looking to discuss this, not just use someone else's formula.

i'm not sure I'd ever want to use player roles. But I'd like to pick other brains

Posted by topdogggbm on 7/31/2018 5:37:00 PM (view original):
The second half of this thread starts to talk about players roles. And even gives specific examples. I wrote earlier in another thread that I'd be open to site mails from people, discussing how they create their player roles, and why.....

My sitemail box remains empty as far as this topic. The offer is still on the table. I don't need exacts. I just wanna understand some logic behind it..... 'Why is your athleticism so high for triangle?"..... "Why do you ignore perimeter in this set?"..... things like that.

if interested in sharing ideas, please communicate back and forth. Instead of just one message. I'm looking to discuss this, not just use someone else's formula.

i'm not sure I'd ever want to use player roles. But I'd like to pick other brains

I don’t use them very often, because I have multiple teams and different sorts of sets (as far as I can tell, it’s set per user, not per team, so there isn’t a lot of value when you’ve got vastly different sorts of teams). I generally only use them as a one-off to evaluate a couple players, like TJ is doing here, then switch back to overall.

Player 1 without a doubt. In this game ATH is such a powerful multiplier, it’s kind of annoying. On my previous D2 squad, I had a PG with 45 ATH, 100 SPD, 60 DEF who always got outplayed by my rival PG with 85 ATH, 50 SPD, 80 DEF.

Ath is a multiplier and a compared stats... Speed isn't but can cause chaos into the other team's offense, disrupt and ... I do not think speed is that important in zone, it's a lot more potent in press.

In zone ATH 40 %, DeF 35 %, SPD 25.

Do the maths.

Posted by zorzii on 7/31/2018 7:14:00 PM (view original):
Ath is a multiplier and a compared stats... Speed isn't but can cause chaos into the other team's offense, disrupt and ... I do not think speed is that important in zone, it's a lot more potent in press.

In zone ATH 40 %, DeF 35 %, SPD 25.

Do the maths.

Absolutely more potent in press. I have a junior that has 95 speed and finished the season 1 steal away from 2nd all time in school history in steals already. Will break the record early in senior season. And he's only got a 64 defense. (Team doesn't have a lot of human coached seasons in their history)

But after discussing here, I think high speed is important for guards, mainly in 2-3. Because of the amount of ground that is necessary to cover. I don't have the study to back that up, but I'll come back in a couple months and share anything that may apply. But it just makes sense to me. I'll find out for myself shortly.

I've ran 3-2 mainly because I have slow guards, and a SF with fairly good speed that help out where my turtles lack. But i'm going to switch to a 2-3 base defense next season and beyond, targeting high speed guards

Posted by topdogggbm on 7/31/2018 8:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 7/31/2018 7:14:00 PM (view original):
Ath is a multiplier and a compared stats... Speed isn't but can cause chaos into the other team's offense, disrupt and ... I do not think speed is that important in zone, it's a lot more potent in press.

In zone ATH 40 %, DeF 35 %, SPD 25.

Do the maths.

Absolutely more potent in press. I have a junior that has 95 speed and finished the season 1 steal away from 2nd all time in school history in steals already. Will break the record early in senior season. And he's only got a 64 defense. (Team doesn't have a lot of human coached seasons in their history)

But after discussing here, I think high speed is important for guards, mainly in 2-3. Because of the amount of ground that is necessary to cover. I don't have the study to back that up, but I'll come back in a couple months and share anything that may apply. But it just makes sense to me. I'll find out for myself shortly.

I've ran 3-2 mainly because I have slow guards, and a SF with fairly good speed that help out where my turtles lack. But i'm going to switch to a 2-3 base defense next season and beyond, targeting high speed guards

Just my opinion but it seems like you have to have starting gaurds with 90+ spd to play a 2/3 and shoot the three well and be able to defend.

Posted by cardman17 on 7/31/2018 8:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 7/31/2018 8:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 7/31/2018 7:14:00 PM (view original):
Ath is a multiplier and a compared stats... Speed isn't but can cause chaos into the other team's offense, disrupt and ... I do not think speed is that important in zone, it's a lot more potent in press.

In zone ATH 40 %, DeF 35 %, SPD 25.

Do the maths.

Absolutely more potent in press. I have a junior that has 95 speed and finished the season 1 steal away from 2nd all time in school history in steals already. Will break the record early in senior season. And he's only got a 64 defense. (Team doesn't have a lot of human coached seasons in their history)

But after discussing here, I think high speed is important for guards, mainly in 2-3. Because of the amount of ground that is necessary to cover. I don't have the study to back that up, but I'll come back in a couple months and share anything that may apply. But it just makes sense to me. I'll find out for myself shortly.

I've ran 3-2 mainly because I have slow guards, and a SF with fairly good speed that help out where my turtles lack. But i'm going to switch to a 2-3 base defense next season and beyond, targeting high speed guards

Just my opinion but it seems like you have to have starting gaurds with 90+ spd to play a 2/3 and shoot the three well and be able to defend.

The 90+ spd and good defense is what i'm targeting. Shooting the three.... I'll take it if it's available. But it's not a must for my goals of changing over to 2-3. It's always nice to have a high perimeter shooter or two tho

I don’t run zone so this is only based on numbers I have analyzed on other teams. From a pure defense perspective, I would actually slightly take player 2, but then again, I tend to value IQ more than most. The equation changes with a B- for player 1.

Posted by zorzii on 7/31/2018 7:14:00 PM (view original):
Ath is a multiplier and a compared stats... Speed isn't but can cause chaos into the other team's offense, disrupt and ... I do not think speed is that important in zone, it's a lot more potent in press.

In zone ATH 40 %, DeF 35 %, SPD 25.

Do the maths.

1. I have seen people claim ATH is a multiplier but I don't think it is and have never seen it confirmed. I believe that ATH (like speed) is just used in a lot of equations. I think IQ, O/D, and +/- are multipliers.

2. There is no such thing as a "compared stat". Everything is modified by something else.

3. I would bet dollars to donoughts that in no set is anything ever more important than DEF in the defensive equation.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 8/1/2018 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 7/31/2018 7:14:00 PM (view original):
Ath is a multiplier and a compared stats... Speed isn't but can cause chaos into the other team's offense, disrupt and ... I do not think speed is that important in zone, it's a lot more potent in press.

In zone ATH 40 %, DeF 35 %, SPD 25.

Do the maths.

1. I have seen people claim ATH is a multiplier but I don't think it is and have never seen it confirmed. I believe that ATH (like speed) is just used in a lot of equations. I think IQ, O/D, and +/- are multipliers.

2. There is no such thing as a "compared stat". Everything is modified by something else.

3. I would bet dollars to donoughts that in no set is anything ever more important than DEF in the defensive equation.

Ath-Reb... multiplier... Ath-LP multiplier. In zone, ath-def pretty close or equal but not ath below. Anyways. 47 ath---- ?

i would play the elite athlete, IQ will be up soon enough and faster with starter minutes