I’ve noticed vast improvements in FG% and 3PT% at a B+ or better. Same goes with Press, at the B+ range players will contribute more steals and have way less fouls. I find it hard to believe that anyone has been successful playing Flex/Press with anything less than B+ Team average. IQ is so important.

Posted by topdogggbm on 8/17/2018 10:11:00 PM (view original):
Ok but I don't think this is a preference thing. Either an A+ is important for IQ, and important enough to "wait" for your players to max around junior/senior season. Or IQ isn't important, so maxing your players out immediately is more important than getting past a B+.

To be honest, I haven't heard many people say they use that little amount of minutes for team sets. I've always had a personal goal of not giving much distro to any players until they reach A- IQ (obviously unless I had to, maybe due to a young team with no seniors). If I used that few of minutes, I wouldn't have a single player with a distro of more than 1 or 2, their entire 4 year careers!

But I don't have any titles either. So have I been taught completely wrong this whole time? I know there are so many ways to win at this game. But the value of A+ IQ and its difference between B+ IQ doesn't seem like something that isn't "solved" by now. With all the successful coaches and the studies and time invested.

A- is pretty extreme. B- level is fine for players with decent scoring skills to be effective.

IQ is definitely important. How much is a grade of IQ worth? Up for interpretation. If you’re leaving important development on the table until *after* they’ve reached A- IQ, I’m not sure you’re seeing any net benefit. So whether loading up on sets is beneficial or not depends a lot on what kind of players you can bring in. If you’re constantly chasing the green categories, your team will probably benefit from less focus on IQ. If you’re bringing in fairly well developed players, it would probably make more sense to overload IQ. I know many coaches go back and forth every season, between high IQ and focus on attributes, depending on how much growth potential they have on the roster.

Posted by zagsrulez on 8/17/2018 10:31:00 PM (view original):
I’ve noticed vast improvements in FG% and 3PT% at a B+ or better. Same goes with Press, at the B+ range players will contribute more steals and have way less fouls. I find it hard to believe that anyone has been successful playing Flex/Press with anything less than B+ Team average. IQ is so important.

Won the NT in Tark last season with 3 seniors. One was A. I think the other two were A-. The rest of the roster was between B and D.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/18/2018 7:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zagsrulez on 8/17/2018 10:31:00 PM (view original):
I’ve noticed vast improvements in FG% and 3PT% at a B+ or better. Same goes with Press, at the B+ range players will contribute more steals and have way less fouls. I find it hard to believe that anyone has been successful playing Flex/Press with anything less than B+ Team average. IQ is so important.

Won the NT in Tark last season with 3 seniors. One was A. I think the other two were A-. The rest of the roster was between B and D.

No disrespect at all here (again, I suck and have no titles), but isn't it generally easier to win a title in D3 with the talent alone? As in, is it possible that your roster was a lot better than others, and maybe you escaped the poaching more than others, allowing IQ to be somewhat of a non factor?

I ask this because even with me playing at D2, I usually target Early and EoP1 signers. In seasons that D1 coaches bypass my main targets, i bring in phenomenal classes and make deep tourney runs. In seasons where my main targets are poached on the very last cycle of RS1, I end up with lesser talent and i don't go as far.

(And to add some reading material for shoe to love, poaching is completely random! I said it! I had one season where I signed three 1star players, simply because no D1 humans decided to pursue. I've had seasons where i'm not even excited with my potential signings, and here comes D1 humans to take them all away. Random, because a coach decided to attack a Slippery Rock led player. And not a West Chester (PA) led player for example. If both schools have a 650 OVR guy lined up that are fairly equal, and one gets poached and the other doesn't, that changes the direction for both schools. "Random poaching"..... the greatest ever two word term for shoe and I to discuss. Haha. Let it rip buddy!)

Posted by zagsrulez on 8/17/2018 10:31:00 PM (view original):
I’ve noticed vast improvements in FG% and 3PT% at a B+ or better. Same goes with Press, at the B+ range players will contribute more steals and have way less fouls. I find it hard to believe that anyone has been successful playing Flex/Press with anything less than B+ Team average. IQ is so important.

I also agree with this a lot. But i'm sure the are always exceptions. But I've always felt IQ is HUGE. And I see it in my players as well.

I aim for +50% fg and/or +40% 3fg from my main scorers. With IQs below B+, I can't get players to average more than 5-7ppg and hit those numbers. Once they are in the A- and above, I can hit those marks scoring +10ppg and beyond.

(i'm ok with guards in the high 40%s in FG%. If they are 3pt shooters. And also with my bigs, I actually aim for around +55 FG%)

Posted by bad_luck on 8/17/2018 4:54:00 PM (view original):
Here are some tips I’ve gotten from a couple veteran coaches (and one that’s my own idea):

- In D3 run flex/press
- Recruit D1 players only. Make sure you get guys who can defend.
- Play slowdown almost exclusively
- stick to -1, 0, +1 defense depending on your opponent.
- don’t put a ton of time into team practice:10-14 minutes in each of your two sets.

Doing that got me two D3 national championships. One at Pacific 5 seasons after taking over a train wreck and one at Cal Tech 6 seasons after taking over a mediocre team.

What’s the success rate for a crappy D3 team recruiting D1 players?

Any D3 team can get players in the D1 pool. They are not always the best players available, though. The trick is in knowing geography, and having a feeling about how high you can reach, and what other, higher prestige teams will want.

Posted by heenbone on 8/18/2018 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/17/2018 4:54:00 PM (view original):
Here are some tips I’ve gotten from a couple veteran coaches (and one that’s my own idea):

- In D3 run flex/press
- Recruit D1 players only. Make sure you get guys who can defend.
- Play slowdown almost exclusively
- stick to -1, 0, +1 defense depending on your opponent.
- don’t put a ton of time into team practice:10-14 minutes in each of your two sets.

Doing that got me two D3 national championships. One at Pacific 5 seasons after taking over a train wreck and one at Cal Tech 6 seasons after taking over a mediocre team.

What’s the success rate for a crappy D3 team recruiting D1 players?

You have to pick and choose the times you’re willing to put up a fight, but there are usually tons of decent D1 players (especially non-guards) that don’t get recruited by anyone until Sims come along late in cycle 2.

Posted by topdogggbm on 8/18/2018 9:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/18/2018 7:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zagsrulez on 8/17/2018 10:31:00 PM (view original):
I’ve noticed vast improvements in FG% and 3PT% at a B+ or better. Same goes with Press, at the B+ range players will contribute more steals and have way less fouls. I find it hard to believe that anyone has been successful playing Flex/Press with anything less than B+ Team average. IQ is so important.

Won the NT in Tark last season with 3 seniors. One was A. I think the other two were A-. The rest of the roster was between B and D.

No disrespect at all here (again, I suck and have no titles), but isn't it generally easier to win a title in D3 with the talent alone? As in, is it possible that your roster was a lot better than others, and maybe you escaped the poaching more than others, allowing IQ to be somewhat of a non factor?

I ask this because even with me playing at D2, I usually target Early and EoP1 signers. In seasons that D1 coaches bypass my main targets, i bring in phenomenal classes and make deep tourney runs. In seasons where my main targets are poached on the very last cycle of RS1, I end up with lesser talent and i don't go as far.

(And to add some reading material for shoe to love, poaching is completely random! I said it! I had one season where I signed three 1star players, simply because no D1 humans decided to pursue. I've had seasons where i'm not even excited with my potential signings, and here comes D1 humans to take them all away. Random, because a coach decided to attack a Slippery Rock led player. And not a West Chester (PA) led player for example. If both schools have a 650 OVR guy lined up that are fairly equal, and one gets poached and the other doesn't, that changes the direction for both schools. "Random poaching"..... the greatest ever two word term for shoe and I to discuss. Haha. Let it rip buddy!)

That might be the case, but since we’re talking about D3, it’s appropriate.

Put it this way, you say your players play better with better IQs, but aren’t their ratings also going up as they become upper class men? How sure are you that it’s the IQs making the difference and not just improved skill?

I’ve noticed that my freshmen heavy teams play like **** for part of non-conference play, but once those player get to D+/C-, things really pick up and they start winning more games.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/19/2018 2:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by heenbone on 8/18/2018 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/17/2018 4:54:00 PM (view original):
Here are some tips I’ve gotten from a couple veteran coaches (and one that’s my own idea):

- In D3 run flex/press
- Recruit D1 players only. Make sure you get guys who can defend.
- Play slowdown almost exclusively
- stick to -1, 0, +1 defense depending on your opponent.
- don’t put a ton of time into team practice:10-14 minutes in each of your two sets.

Doing that got me two D3 national championships. One at Pacific 5 seasons after taking over a train wreck and one at Cal Tech 6 seasons after taking over a mediocre team.

What’s the success rate for a crappy D3 team recruiting D1 players?

You have to pick and choose the times you’re willing to put up a fight, but there are usually tons of decent D1 players (especially non-guards) that don’t get recruited by anyone until Sims come along late in cycle 2.

Yup. Guards are where true recruiting skill rears its head.

Posted by shoe3 on 8/19/2018 10:17:00 AM (view original):
Any D3 team can get players in the D1 pool. They are not always the best players available, though. The trick is in knowing geography, and having a feeling about how high you can reach, and what other, higher prestige teams will want.

There’s a lot of crappy players in the D1 pool. Just because a player is ranked or starred doesn’t necessarily mean they are useful or talent.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/19/2018 2:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 8/18/2018 9:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/18/2018 7:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zagsrulez on 8/17/2018 10:31:00 PM (view original):
I’ve noticed vast improvements in FG% and 3PT% at a B+ or better. Same goes with Press, at the B+ range players will contribute more steals and have way less fouls. I find it hard to believe that anyone has been successful playing Flex/Press with anything less than B+ Team average. IQ is so important.

Won the NT in Tark last season with 3 seniors. One was A. I think the other two were A-. The rest of the roster was between B and D.

No disrespect at all here (again, I suck and have no titles), but isn't it generally easier to win a title in D3 with the talent alone? As in, is it possible that your roster was a lot better than others, and maybe you escaped the poaching more than others, allowing IQ to be somewhat of a non factor?

I ask this because even with me playing at D2, I usually target Early and EoP1 signers. In seasons that D1 coaches bypass my main targets, i bring in phenomenal classes and make deep tourney runs. In seasons where my main targets are poached on the very last cycle of RS1, I end up with lesser talent and i don't go as far.

(And to add some reading material for shoe to love, poaching is completely random! I said it! I had one season where I signed three 1star players, simply because no D1 humans decided to pursue. I've had seasons where i'm not even excited with my potential signings, and here comes D1 humans to take them all away. Random, because a coach decided to attack a Slippery Rock led player. And not a West Chester (PA) led player for example. If both schools have a 650 OVR guy lined up that are fairly equal, and one gets poached and the other doesn't, that changes the direction for both schools. "Random poaching"..... the greatest ever two word term for shoe and I to discuss. Haha. Let it rip buddy!)

That might be the case, but since we’re talking about D3, it’s appropriate.

Put it this way, you say your players play better with better IQs, but aren’t their ratings also going up as they become upper class men? How sure are you that it’s the IQs making the difference and not just improved skill?

I’ve noticed that my freshmen heavy teams play like **** for part of non-conference play, but once those player get to D+/C-, things really pick up and they start winning more games.

Yeah I am quite sure it’s the IQ. When it comes to playing press defense, I am sure to monitor my guards closely. Take my PG, George, for example: Low ATH and Low Def, he was a liability to my team his first year and a half because he consistently racked up fouls & fouled out every game. His ATH and Defensive skills have stayed stagnant meaning that his increase in IQ has contributed to his decreased fouls. He is able to play more now due to the fact that I have changed his foul setting to “Normal”.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=5080&pid=3967388

Is there really much difference between 2.5 and 3.1 fouls per game?

This guy is pretty similar and, despite never getting more than 12 min of press practice, his fouls per game has stayed exactly the same for three seasons.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=13577&pid=3942042

Hmm very interesting and a real eye opener for me, definitely have to re-evaluate my practice minutes for future seasons.

Those two guards are not exactly similar, neither in usage nor attributes.