Alright, makes sense.

Posted by pjfoster13 on 10/7/2018 11:14:00 AM (view original):
Hitters are a little bit of a different conversation as to what combinations lead to which outputs

Basically, for pitchers the WHIP attributes are splits (2R + L) and control. Every 0.05 increment of WHIP corresponds to a certain expected ERA relative to average conditions. Guys with better K-rate and GBFB have a lower ERA relative to WHIP because baserunners advance differently (less often) and therefore have less value per unit. Guys with lower K-rate and GBFB have a higher ERA relative to WHIP

How do pitches factor in?

... Player Profile: Melky Quixote is a first-ballot HOF with only 63 vR because everything else is great. Player Profile: Robin Pillette has had a great career as well, 3.5 ERA.

Pitches correlate with slugging percentage (islated power) in a way that is not clearly understood by the community as a whole. GBFB has no correlation whatsoever with either slugging percentage or home run rate.

^^ pitchers like them also benefit the most from exceptional defensive range on the left side aka SS 3B LF and CF.

LHP predominantly face RHB (sometimes all 9 batters are RH) which typically pull to the left, so it's important to steal away as many of those hits as possible

Makes sense, thanks.

What about this guy? Could he be effective?

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/7/2018 12:30:00 PM (view original):
What about this guy? Could he be effective?

Player Profile: Addison Rivero - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

He's context and role dependent. In a hitter's park he might be in a lot of trouble. Ottawa's neutral; I'd put a good defense behind him though. He can throw a lot of innings. And you have a top draft pick invested in him so you're going to want to use him. I don't think he's a top SP, but middle of the rotation with the potential for a big season now and then. Like the guy I posted earlier, maybe you wouldn't want him in a playoff game against a very good team.

Posted by damag on 10/7/2018 3:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/7/2018 12:30:00 PM (view original):
What about this guy? Could he be effective?

Player Profile: Addison Rivero - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

He's context and role dependent. In a hitter's park he might be in a lot of trouble. Ottawa's neutral; I'd put a good defense behind him though. He can throw a lot of innings. And you have a top draft pick invested in him so you're going to want to use him. I don't think he's a top SP, but middle of the rotation with the potential for a big season now and then. Like the guy I posted earlier, maybe you wouldn't want him in a playoff game against a very good team.

I just picked him up off the WW to pitch some innings for me so I have nothing invested, just wondering if he could be helpful for future. Probably will deal him pre-arb.

LOL I didn't check his transactions... that's a lot of teams given up on him by age 26. Guess you can see why. I suppose it would take an idiot like me to give him some run in the majors.

Posted by damag on 10/7/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):
LOL I didn't check his transactions... that's a lot of teams given up on him by age 26. Guess you can see why. I suppose it would take an idiot like me to give him some run in the majors.

Lol, so that means I shouldn't give him some innings, right?

Regarding ratings, curious if people have exported them and run models or are these beliefs mostly anecdotal?

I've exported and run models. My outcome for the models was ERA; I should have also modeled WHIP to isolate effects on SLG, for example. So, when I say that GB/FB has a potent effect on ERA and and pjfoster says it has no impact on HR, we can both be right if, for example, high GB/FB leads to a big increase in double plays.

While it is theoretically possible to imagine an effective ML pitcher with a VsL or VsR < 50, I've never seen one; I just don't think the engine creates guys with splits of 45 and pitches of 95, which is what it would take. Similarly, you're playing with fire at control < 50, although I've seen some guys in the high 40s with splits in the mid 80s who were OK.

Rivero is a very back end option; I sometimes use guys like him in a mop-up role when I can't afford 11 legitimately good pitchers, since he has high DUR/ST.

Posted by dedelman on 10/8/2018 11:58:00 AM (view original):
I've exported and run models. My outcome for the models was ERA; I should have also modeled WHIP to isolate effects on SLG, for example. So, when I say that GB/FB has a potent effect on ERA and and pjfoster says it has no impact on HR, we can both be right if, for example, high GB/FB leads to a big increase in double plays.

While it is theoretically possible to imagine an effective ML pitcher with a VsL or VsR < 50, I've never seen one; I just don't think the engine creates guys with splits of 45 and pitches of 95, which is what it would take. Similarly, you're playing with fire at control < 50, although I've seen some guys in the high 40s with splits in the mid 80s who were OK.

Rivero is a very back end option; I sometimes use guys like him in a mop-up role when I can't afford 11 legitimately good pitchers, since he has high DUR/ST.

I just traded Rivero last night so I don’t have him anymore.

LOL nice, you found another idiot like me!

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/7/2018 12:30:00 PM (view original):
What about this guy? Could he be effective?

Player Profile: Addison Rivero - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

What is effective. With a good def Id say a 1.40 whip is probally realistic. So a mop for me at best.