i mean, it IS mully, so he probably was being a bit of a dick. but i also feel like it hit a nerve for you and it shouldn't because you still had to coach them to that 35-0 title season. thats really the main point of my message. congrats again!

Yeah. Nobody "lucks into" or is "gifted" a National Championship. I've had a number of my teams taken by others to Championships and the title is 100% theirs. I've lost so many Final Fours that maybe I wouldn't have even won with my own players had I stayed? Recruiting talent and knowing what to do with it are two different skill sets. The credit and the glory always goes to the coach in possession of the team when it counts. That's why your name will forever appear in the National Champions list under the STATS tab.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 10/3/2019 9:25:00 PM (view original):
Yeah. Nobody "lucks into" or is "gifted" a National Championship. I've had a number of my teams taken by others to Championships and the title is 100% theirs. I've lost so many Final Fours that maybe I wouldn't have even won with my own players had I stayed? Recruiting talent and knowing what to do with it are two different skill sets. The credit and the glory always goes to the coach in possession of the team when it counts. That's why your name will forever appear in the National Champions list under the STATS tab.

Yeah, and that's all that matters. I coached my butt off regardless of what anyone says. 10 years and no one is gonna damper my enthusiasm about this title.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 10/3/2019 9:25:00 PM (view original):
Yeah. Nobody "lucks into" or is "gifted" a National Championship. I've had a number of my teams taken by others to Championships and the title is 100% theirs. I've lost so many Final Fours that maybe I wouldn't have even won with my own players had I stayed? Recruiting talent and knowing what to do with it are two different skill sets. The credit and the glory always goes to the coach in possession of the team when it counts. That's why your name will forever appear in the National Champions list under the STATS tab.

I don't know. I think one coach does. And I'm not trying to open up this can of worms again in a negative way, but the coach himself admitted it, so I don't feel that I'm being an *** by saying this. But ab90 is gifted titles. He has stated that he plays the game for the Amazon gift cards. And chooses to jump each season to the best available team basically.

Yes he's won some on his own. But I think if it's a consistent method of play, those titles are handed out, not earned. And I'm not sure he cares. It's just his style.

coaching is a huge part of this game, and there aren't teams good enough for a mediocre coach to walk in and win with, at least not without an undue amount of luck on their side. i don't really have a problem with a coach switching teams if that is what they enjoy, and there isn't enough money to be made playing this game for that part of it to matter.

i do think its an issue if ab wants to 'enter the pantheon', as he puts it. but that is really his problem, not someone else's, so i suppose i don't see why anyone really cares? someone is going to be coaching that team regardless it seems to me, so if that coach happens to be ab - who is the victim? if hes a better coach than otherwise would be coaching it, well then first off i guess he's a pretty good coach and he's not being gifted the championships :) second off, if that is somehow taking something from someone, i suppose i'd suggest a title isn't yours until you win it and thinking otherwise is insanity?

Ab90 just won a title in Phelen with my old W. Alabama team, and in dominant fashion, absolutely destroyed every team he played until the championship game where he beat Arfy's team by 3 points. Looking at it it is a great team, and maybe I would have won a title with them, but I am not certain, I have gone on autopilot the past 6 months or so, I do my recruiting half-assed, not checking it for days on end, and the only real game-planning I do is switching positioning up a point or two every now and then for games, if that. I had a string of 5 titles within a couple of months when 3.0 first came out and since then I have had a long string of early exits with top-ranked teams. I have had multiple teams that I left win national titles with my players, proving my point that I am a ****** game planner.

Point being, you can recruit teams that should win national titles, but that doesn't mean you are going to win, you have to be a good game planner unless you either get lucky, or your team is good enough to win no matter what you do.

I really enjoy rebuilding teams. I’ve left a number of final four caliber teams to take over rebuilds. It’s more expensive, and it’s probably cost me a few extra title shots, but I don’t regret it. It’s how I want to play, it’s what I enjoy doing, and the time I spend with this game is much more valuable than the money I spend (or potentially could earn), so I better be doing the stuff I have fun with, otherwise what’s the point?

That said, it’s never made sense to me when folks try to diminish what others accomplish. This game is about setting goals, and going after them. We don’t all need the same goals.

Posted by shoe3 on 10/6/2019 7:48:00 PM (view original):
I really enjoy rebuilding teams. I’ve left a number of final four caliber teams to take over rebuilds. It’s more expensive, and it’s probably cost me a few extra title shots, but I don’t regret it. It’s how I want to play, it’s what I enjoy doing, and the time I spend with this game is much more valuable than the money I spend (or potentially could earn), so I better be doing the stuff I have fun with, otherwise what’s the point?

That said, it’s never made sense to me when folks try to diminish what others accomplish. This game is about setting goals, and going after them. We don’t all need the same goals.

Agree with this (about enjoying rebuilds, doing stuff I have fun with). And if anybody feels I was diminishing ab90, I'm not. I don't care what he does. I don't do it. That's all I'm concerned with.

But my goals are different than everyone else's I'm sure. And to what MonsterTurtl said.... he's exactly right. In my opinion, game planning is the final, and the most difficult skill to grasp. In HIS case, he made it seem as if he doesn't apply himself often, so it's possible he wins more with game planning effort. But at the same time, if I leave a school, that has all my players, I've won at a high level consistently, even a title thrown in recently, I'd have a hard time coming here and saying.... "what a great job Coach A did. And I had absolutely nothing to do with it!". I likely wouldn't come here and say anything at all! But point is, had I stayed, maybe I'd have won a title again, maybe not. We'll never know. But I don't think I'd view it as the new coach is responsible for ALL of it.

I'd also not come here and brag if i won a title after taking over a team for the first year that someone else built. I'd probably sitemail the previous coach and say "nice job with the roster and I feel like you deserve a shout out for that".

Everybody thinks differently just like everyone has different goals

Congrats on the title!

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/6/2019 10:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 10/6/2019 7:48:00 PM (view original):
I really enjoy rebuilding teams. I’ve left a number of final four caliber teams to take over rebuilds. It’s more expensive, and it’s probably cost me a few extra title shots, but I don’t regret it. It’s how I want to play, it’s what I enjoy doing, and the time I spend with this game is much more valuable than the money I spend (or potentially could earn), so I better be doing the stuff I have fun with, otherwise what’s the point?

That said, it’s never made sense to me when folks try to diminish what others accomplish. This game is about setting goals, and going after them. We don’t all need the same goals.

Agree with this (about enjoying rebuilds, doing stuff I have fun with). And if anybody feels I was diminishing ab90, I'm not. I don't care what he does. I don't do it. That's all I'm concerned with.

But my goals are different than everyone else's I'm sure. And to what MonsterTurtl said.... he's exactly right. In my opinion, game planning is the final, and the most difficult skill to grasp. In HIS case, he made it seem as if he doesn't apply himself often, so it's possible he wins more with game planning effort. But at the same time, if I leave a school, that has all my players, I've won at a high level consistently, even a title thrown in recently, I'd have a hard time coming here and saying.... "what a great job Coach A did. And I had absolutely nothing to do with it!". I likely wouldn't come here and say anything at all! But point is, had I stayed, maybe I'd have won a title again, maybe not. We'll never know. But I don't think I'd view it as the new coach is responsible for ALL of it.

I'd also not come here and brag if i won a title after taking over a team for the first year that someone else built. I'd probably sitemail the previous coach and say "nice job with the roster and I feel like you deserve a shout out for that".

Everybody thinks differently just like everyone has different goals

I’d like to fancy that that is the reason I am not successful anymore, it’s a good excuse at least. A combination of having less time to play the game and the frustration of making poor drastic game planning decisions made me turn to a “keep it simple stupid” game planning strategy. It used to work when I recruited dominant teams, but now that I’ve slipped in recruiting it doesn’t.

As soon as I get accepted into college I will come back with a vengeance.

My final thoughts.

Nobody takes over a team in a vacuum. If you inherit a team with an A+ prestige, that A+ prestige helped you recruit and did have an impact even if the roster is entirely yours by the time you win the title. If you inherit a team with a lousy prestige but the previous coach left you some decent players that you use to win some games while rebuilding (and thus improve your prestige,) then the previous coach also had an impact even if the roster is entirely yours by the time you win the title.

Point being, unless you take over a team run long-term by a SIM, a previous coach always has some sort of contribution. To debate who gets the credit (other than the coach who wins the Championship) is a bit silly.

This is the main problem with ab90 switching teams EVERY FREAKIN SEASON:

With ab90 it's tough cuz he affects recruiting in weird ways.

He's usually at D2, and in Period 1 he can pour tons of effort into D1 recruits (without caring whether he signs the guy or not cuz he'll be leaving anyway), forcing human D1 teams to use resources that they normally wouldn't have to.

Or he can appear in Recruiting Period 2 in a completely new location and do the same thing... use ridiculous resources like a drunken sailor to aggravate D1 humans, again forcing them to waste valuable resources without giving a sh-t whether he signs the guy (cuz he's gonna be leaving the next season anyway).

That's the main problem i have with him. His kamikaze recruiting missions which screw humans that are trying to build a program for the longterm. And he never gets penalized for his irresponsibility cuz he leaves immediately. How is his Loyalty factor not like F-minus times 17,000...?

Posted by gomiami1972 on 10/7/2019 10:34:00 AM (view original):
My final thoughts.

Nobody takes over a team in a vacuum. If you inherit a team with an A+ prestige, that A+ prestige helped you recruit and did have an impact even if the roster is entirely yours by the time you win the title. If you inherit a team with a lousy prestige but the previous coach left you some decent players that you use to win some games while rebuilding (and thus improve your prestige,) then the previous coach also had an impact even if the roster is entirely yours by the time you win the title.

Point being, unless you take over a team run long-term by a SIM, a previous coach always has some sort of contribution. To debate who gets the credit (other than the coach who wins the Championship) is a bit silly.

It's just conversation. I don't think it's a real argument or anything. Just thoughts on a page. And none of them matter really.

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/7/2019 8:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 10/7/2019 10:34:00 AM (view original):
My final thoughts.

Nobody takes over a team in a vacuum. If you inherit a team with an A+ prestige, that A+ prestige helped you recruit and did have an impact even if the roster is entirely yours by the time you win the title. If you inherit a team with a lousy prestige but the previous coach left you some decent players that you use to win some games while rebuilding (and thus improve your prestige,) then the previous coach also had an impact even if the roster is entirely yours by the time you win the title.

Point being, unless you take over a team run long-term by a SIM, a previous coach always has some sort of contribution. To debate who gets the credit (other than the coach who wins the Championship) is a bit silly.

It's just conversation. I don't think it's a real argument or anything. Just thoughts on a page. And none of them matter really.

Of course, hehe. I had some free time at 10:34 this morning so I decided to cut loose a little.

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Posted by mullycj on 10/3/2019 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Does Mahomes get an assist?

I've mentioned a few times before that I stepped into a good situation left by another Coach.
Who left.
For another job.
Did I mention him by name? No. Should I? Sure, let's give a HUUUGE assist to Mahomes for building a team that won a National Championship.
Two seasons after he left.
I'm sure I'm not the only Coach that has done this. And you know what? I'm pretty fu@#ing ****** that you're trying to throw shade (intentional or not) on me winning with his players. By the way, some of those were mine that I recruited and were signed in RS2 (Daly, Pitts and maybe another).
If Mahomes is angry he can message me and I'll gladly apologize for taking over a program that I was at previously.
Thanks for bringing this up mollycj. Maybe Seble can put an asterisk next to Mahomes name? Or on my Coaching profile?

i didn't take his comment so negatively.. i think he was sort of trying to get mahomes a mention more than diminish what you did.

IMO, if you are 2 seasons out already, you've done an awful lot to shape that team. i guess more so at d1 than d2/d3, but its still significant.

even though the players on the team incorporate both the previous coach's vision for the team, and his prowess at recruiting - there is absolutely nothing that says you automatically pick up those players with the same vision he had. or that his idea of how to use those players is remotely accurate. you still need to wrap your mind around the team, fill in the missing pieces, and put together a good team setup to utilize those pieces. there's a lot to it, and doing that with players who are all new to you, is far from easy.

so, in short, i don't really think winning with someone else's players diminishes much. its one thing if you are incapable of recruiting players nearly as talented, and you are hopping around trying to avoid having to recruit yourself. on the other hand, you might be a better recruiter. i won my first title with someone elses players and then 4 seasons later won my 2nd d3 title (which was by then my 4th overall but still) with mine - but mine were infinitely better. the coaching job i had to do with the other guy's players was way harder and IMO more impressive. others may not see it that way but folks in general underestimate how important synergy and the post-recruiting strategy is. they think its all about recruiting, but that is false.

so, i wouldn't worry about it :)

To me winning with the help of someone else’s players diminished the NC. My first DI NC was in my third season at Ohio Valley , or some similar small school. I think three of the players were mine and 5he rest Old Resorter. My forum post was thanking him for the NC. It’s like sleeping with a drunk girl. Yeah I closed the deal but could I have done it with her sober? the next one felt a lot more gratifying. After your next one you can look back and see which one felt the best.