Posted by gillispie1 on 6/2/2020 12:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 6/2/2020 11:56:00 AM (view original):
Ive played over 50 season and never missed a renewal. If for some reason you get your team back and you get recruiting money back ill be very upset and consider this a cheating loophole. Do you want to be perceived as a cheater? Can WIS see how much recruiting money you had left before you forgot to renew? Does Uconn's old coach get all of his money back when he plays nice and gives you your team back? Do you lose your long time recruiting prefs?
Does Ucon? All of these questions could of been avoided with a check of a box. Auto Renew.

good news - nobody gets money back, that was finally corrected a month or two back.

i understand where you are coming from, in that auto renewing is generally pretty easy yet these problems crop up regularly. however, it is possible to use auto renew but run out of seasons (as in this case), and there's other ways well-intentioned people have forgotten. i would also be frustrated if i felt other people were using this to game the system, but given the casual, extremely low stakes nature of this game, i don't think such a hard line should be drawn. i suppose when i start from a place of empathy, considering how this affects the person in question and giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was an honest mistake, the small risk of negative impact i personally face seems irrelevant or trivial. i do have some concern with the inconvenience it places on the other coaches involved and on customer support, but unless i'm one of those folks, i don't really feel i have standing to object (and when i am the other coach, i always rescind, but i don't fault others if they don't).

gillispie1 well said. I want to clarify though. I do have empathy for someone who makes this mistake once. But if you play this game and see the forums you see this happen all the time. I guess i just dont understand how such an active user can make such a mistake more than once. I bet if he lost his team the first time around the mistake wouldnt have happened this time around. I guess im a huge believer in learning from your mistakes because I empathize with the coach who was excited for the new career at KU. Not trying to be mean but ya live and ya learn. . Whoever ends up being KUs coach schedule me next year. Go Bilikins!!!

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 6/2/2020 11:56:00 AM (view original):
Ive played over 50 season and never missed a renewal. If for some reason you get your team back and you get recruiting money back ill be very upset and consider this a cheating loophole. Do you want to be perceived as a cheater? Can WIS see how much recruiting money you had left before you forgot to renew? Does Uconn's old coach get all of his money back when he plays nice and gives you your team back? Do you lose your long time recruiting prefs?
Does Ucon? All of these questions could of been avoided with a check of a box. Auto Renew.

All of my teams have the auto renew box checked. And as gil pointed out, there would be no “cheating” possible now in this scenario, either way. It’s easy to say you can’t understand how this can happen, until you are in a position where it happens. Consider instead of patronizing and moralizing, just be thankful you’ve not yet, in 50 seasons, found yourself in this position.

In the grand scheme of things, I lose nothing compared to some of my neighbors. So related to why I lost this team in the first place, this diversion is very low on my priority list right now. Whatever. I’ll find a good place from which to kick the Billikens (sp? I don’t care) @$$, if I choose. But perhaps with the resource loophole now closed, we as a community can find a new tack other than “**** you, auto renew”. There is no reason why it should be “impossible”, for example, to renew once others have applied, but before a decision has been made. I see the AD email (usually, though they are easy to ignore, which is another problem). But they come before the postseason. I like to wait until the postseason credits are in, because if I make a run, I may be able to afford a 5-pack. Or 10-pack.

I would bet that for most of us who experience this, the way they knew about it was when suddenly they had an “Unemployed” line where the team used to be. There is no reason that couldn’t appear directly after the season, giving them a day to get it together. The jobs process in general is in desperate need of overhaul, and this is part of it.

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 6/2/2020 1:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 6/2/2020 12:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 6/2/2020 11:56:00 AM (view original):
Ive played over 50 season and never missed a renewal. If for some reason you get your team back and you get recruiting money back ill be very upset and consider this a cheating loophole. Do you want to be perceived as a cheater? Can WIS see how much recruiting money you had left before you forgot to renew? Does Uconn's old coach get all of his money back when he plays nice and gives you your team back? Do you lose your long time recruiting prefs?
Does Ucon? All of these questions could of been avoided with a check of a box. Auto Renew.

good news - nobody gets money back, that was finally corrected a month or two back.

i understand where you are coming from, in that auto renewing is generally pretty easy yet these problems crop up regularly. however, it is possible to use auto renew but run out of seasons (as in this case), and there's other ways well-intentioned people have forgotten. i would also be frustrated if i felt other people were using this to game the system, but given the casual, extremely low stakes nature of this game, i don't think such a hard line should be drawn. i suppose when i start from a place of empathy, considering how this affects the person in question and giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was an honest mistake, the small risk of negative impact i personally face seems irrelevant or trivial. i do have some concern with the inconvenience it places on the other coaches involved and on customer support, but unless i'm one of those folks, i don't really feel i have standing to object (and when i am the other coach, i always rescind, but i don't fault others if they don't).

gillispie1 well said. I want to clarify though. I do have empathy for someone who makes this mistake once. But if you play this game and see the forums you see this happen all the time. I guess i just dont understand how such an active user can make such a mistake more than once. I bet if he lost his team the first time around the mistake wouldnt have happened this time around. I guess im a huge believer in learning from your mistakes because I empathize with the coach who was excited for the new career at KU. Not trying to be mean but ya live and ya learn. . Whoever ends up being KUs coach schedule me next year. Go Bilikins!!!

ok, that makes sense. i had something in there about i'd consider it reasonable for coaches to get like, 1 of these, every 50-100 seasons elapsed - i kind of felt like that would be a middle ground we could tolerate - but i guess i edited it out for length (shocking, i know... its true though lol)

Hilariously, in the course of all this, I had a thread open with CS, which they’ve now basically erased. There’s no open, awaiting reply, closed, nothing. Just gone. As if I have had no interaction or request with them.

In my last message back, I informed that I had applied for the UConn job to make it simpler if the other coach agrees to switch, without getting other coaches involved. But then if others apply for *that* job, it gets complicated again. So I asked if they could close applications out, and to escalate to her manager because of the time sensitive part; and it’s already more complicated than it needed to be.

I mean, I suppose it’s gone because it was escalated and maybe I’ll hear back eventually? I look forward to seeing how this gets resolved. Some of us lamented that for a long period seble was handling all the CS himself. I guess this is a “careful what you wish for” example.

Posted by shoe3 on 6/2/2020 2:35:00 PM (view original):
Hilariously, in the course of all this, I had a thread open with CS, which they’ve now basically erased. There’s no open, awaiting reply, closed, nothing. Just gone. As if I have had no interaction or request with them.

In my last message back, I informed that I had applied for the UConn job to make it simpler if the other coach agrees to switch, without getting other coaches involved. But then if others apply for *that* job, it gets complicated again. So I asked if they could close applications out, and to escalate to her manager because of the time sensitive part; and it’s already more complicated than it needed to be.

I mean, I suppose it’s gone because it was escalated and maybe I’ll hear back eventually? I look forward to seeing how this gets resolved. Some of us lamented that for a long period seble was handling all the CS himself. I guess this is a “careful what you wish for” example.

Update: I opened another ticket, and was told it was “moved to WhatifSports” and that I had been using the “LeagueSafe” CS. Which is odd, because I was using the Customer Support link at the bottom of the WhatifSports home. And when I access it now, it continues to direct me to LeagueSafe.

Anyone have experience with CS after the LeagueSafe transfer know how to navigate this?

Posted by shoe3 on 6/2/2020 2:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 6/2/2020 11:56:00 AM (view original):
Ive played over 50 season and never missed a renewal. If for some reason you get your team back and you get recruiting money back ill be very upset and consider this a cheating loophole. Do you want to be perceived as a cheater? Can WIS see how much recruiting money you had left before you forgot to renew? Does Uconn's old coach get all of his money back when he plays nice and gives you your team back? Do you lose your long time recruiting prefs?
Does Ucon? All of these questions could of been avoided with a check of a box. Auto Renew.

All of my teams have the auto renew box checked. And as gil pointed out, there would be no “cheating” possible now in this scenario, either way. It’s easy to say you can’t understand how this can happen, until you are in a position where it happens. Consider instead of patronizing and moralizing, just be thankful you’ve not yet, in 50 seasons, found yourself in this position.

In the grand scheme of things, I lose nothing compared to some of my neighbors. So related to why I lost this team in the first place, this diversion is very low on my priority list right now. Whatever. I’ll find a good place from which to kick the Billikens (sp? I don’t care) @$$, if I choose. But perhaps with the resource loophole now closed, we as a community can find a new tack other than “**** you, auto renew”. There is no reason why it should be “impossible”, for example, to renew once others have applied, but before a decision has been made. I see the AD email (usually, though they are easy to ignore, which is another problem). But they come before the postseason. I like to wait until the postseason credits are in, because if I make a run, I may be able to afford a 5-pack. Or 10-pack.

I would bet that for most of us who experience this, the way they knew about it was when suddenly they had an “Unemployed” line where the team used to be. There is no reason that couldn’t appear directly after the season, giving them a day to get it together. The jobs process in general is in desperate need of overhaul, and this is part of it.

Shoe3 thanks for correcting my spelling and giving the Billikins the "L". Ill be sure to return the favor soon.

The other coach graciously agreed. But as expected, this needlessly stupid jobs process is complicated by the fact that other folks have applied to UConn now, so we have to wait to make sure I get that one.

”It looks like there is another coach who has applied to UConn (not including yours). I can't move epic2008 back to that job while there is a pending application. If you win the UConn job, we can easily swap you both back, but if the other coach wins it, things get more complicated. You'd have to get that coach on board with moving as well.

Alternatively, I can put epic2008 on a different team now, one that doesn't have a pending application. If he's open to a different team, let me know.

Sorry this has been messy, but we have to be fair to coaches who have applied for jobs.

Thanks”

So for those of you willing to back off of KU, please now also consider backing off of UConn.

Thanks again, I do appreciate those of you who have been helpful. And even you, Nick. ;)

I still don't understand why so many coaches forget to renew.

Do what I do and the moment the world rolls over to a new season, go directly to manage renewal and press the Renew button (so that you *never* have to depend on auto-renew to bail you out at the end of the season and if you run multiple teams in different worlds, end up taking all of your available renewals leaving you with zero). If you can't renew cause you don't have any left, time to buy a 10 pack (but you have the *whole* season to do it).

Posted by buddhagamer on 6/2/2020 6:10:00 PM (view original):
I still don't understand why so many coaches forget to renew.

Do what I do and the moment the world rolls over to a new season, go directly to manage renewal and press the Renew button (so that you *never* have to depend on auto-renew to bail you out at the end of the season and if you run multiple teams in different worlds, end up taking all of your available renewals leaving you with zero). If you can't renew cause you don't have any left, time to buy a 10 pack (but you have the *whole* season to do it).

I mean again, thanks for your input. That is exactly what I do. And it works great, except when circumstances are such when suddenly there are other things much more important than an internet diversion going on around you, and you don’t watch as carefully for a few days at a time. As I said in OP, I’m happy to discuss the specific details about what I was doing between Saturday evening and Monday morning via sitemail, if you need to be convinced there are some legitimate reasons why someone might miss this kind of thing under certain circumstances.

A lot of the time it happens to me is when I am waiting for a credit.

I rarely post on the forums anymore, but best of luck getting back to Kansas shoe. I would like to even up our H2H again.

Is the final result final? Here's where we are at in this coaching carousel.

5/31/20 12:55pm Kansas Announces they have let Shoe3 go for lack of performance over the last decade. KU's AD said" 1 Final four in 10 seasons just inst enough for the Fan Base. We want more, and with the rich history of this program we deserve more"

6/2/20 2:15am Kansas AD quickly and gladly welcomes new head coach epic2008. Epic was ready for a change after 22 seasons with the huskies. Uconn AD was quoted " Coach Epic will be missed but i have my sights on the future. We have to hire someone who can battle the up and coming A10 in recruiting and i think i have 2 coaches that may be able to handle the job. "

6/2/20 8:02 PM UConn officials announce the hiring of Ceej_Money from Wisconsin. Ceej left after 16 season but no final four runs. "I think Coach Money will get over the hump with the power of UConn Nation behind him. " said UConn's AD.

6/3/20 10:10am Wisconsin Shockingly hires Shoe3 after he was unresponsive for days and rumors to be the real reason he was fired. Wisconsin's AD Frank Kaminsky said " i think we got a great coach. I've been promised by Shoe that he will check in with me at the end of every season to discuss the future of the Badgers. If he does that i see no reason we cant be the #1 team in the country year in and year out"

I've been trying to get Ceej_money back in the WCC... and his LMU Lions just became vacant.

Posted by shoe3 on 6/1/2020 1:00:00 PM (view original):
When these come up, I try to have sympathy. I have forgotten to renew once before at a chaotic time in my life, and it’s happened again.

I live in North Minneapolis, about a block from Broadway, which has been mostly destroyed in the past few days. I’m not going to get into the social stuff here, but if anyone would like to chat about it, I’d be happy to correspond via sitemail.

Anyway, I’d appreciate getting my team back, but others have applied. My mistake, no one else is responsible for it, but thanks for considering.

Hope you and yours are all ok man.

Posted by kcsundevil on 6/3/2020 3:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 6/1/2020 1:00:00 PM (view original):
When these come up, I try to have sympathy. I have forgotten to renew once before at a chaotic time in my life, and it’s happened again.

I live in North Minneapolis, about a block from Broadway, which has been mostly destroyed in the past few days. I’m not going to get into the social stuff here, but if anyone would like to chat about it, I’d be happy to correspond via sitemail.

Anyway, I’d appreciate getting my team back, but others have applied. My mistake, no one else is responsible for it, but thanks for considering.

Hope you and yours are all ok man.

Thanks, I appreciate it. We’re safe for now.