I play quite a bit at $200 mil, and I’d never venture that low. What ballpark are you at? I’m assuming Target Field. Regardless you’re definitely gonna have to use your AAA

Posted by ozomatli on 6/8/2020 1:35:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand the sentiment around wanting someone for extra starts. I run 200-250 IP pitchers in 2-man rotations all the time at a 40-50 pitchcount. The number of starts / distribution of their innings across a different # of games has no impact on their effectiveness (unless it's over 110 which is unrealistic for a starting scenario). If anything, they are better off this way due to less in average in game fatigue per pitch thrown.

Can someone explain this perspective a bit more?

As skunk206 stated, as well, it's about pitches, not starts or games or innings. Doesn't matter when or how they're used, as long as you use them. So, I'm with you on this, I don't understand this perspective. skunk206 was way more eloquent than I, but we had essentially the same conclusion overall.

The quality of your pitchers strengthens your chances. With good gloves and a little luck you might make it. I wouldn't be surprised if you have to call upon the scrubs before getting past the fatigue buffer. Only one way to find out, Mike. Keep us posted...

I love the AAA at the high levels. But what kind of AAA salary is the league? Manual or SIM created?

I have very little experience at higher caps, but i love the team and am excited to see how it goes. For me, your offense (or rather defense) than the total IP, as well as your willingness to pitch lower in fatigue. Anything over 90% and I'm ok personally, and haven't seen too much drop at 80%, but the injuries can be quite annoying

Posted by just4me on 6/8/2020 3:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ozomatli on 6/8/2020 1:35:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand the sentiment around wanting someone for extra starts. I run 200-250 IP pitchers in 2-man rotations all the time at a 40-50 pitchcount. The number of starts / distribution of their innings across a different # of games has no impact on their effectiveness (unless it's over 110 which is unrealistic for a starting scenario). If anything, they are better off this way due to less in average in game fatigue per pitch thrown.

Can someone explain this perspective a bit more?

As skunk206 stated, as well, it's about pitches, not starts or games or innings. Doesn't matter when or how they're used, as long as you use them. So, I'm with you on this, I don't understand this perspective. skunk206 was way more eloquent than I, but we had essentially the same conclusion overall.

I come af this a bit differently (I probably have the fewest titles of anyone who has commented) but I agree it is about pitches. I had a good debate a while back about like it or not. The Log5 WIS algorhithm...im not sure I can even fully understand but I do think there is an inpact.

When Eck pitches in 1989 and walks like 3 guys in 75 innings, his PC is really low. At 200m, you are going to see Ruth/Bonds and other high BB guys and it always seems to me that they get / exceed their BBs but great control pitchers never match theirs. Bonds was largely due to IBB but was Ruths? It comes down to did Ruth face less control pitchers, did they pitch around him or IBB him. I dont know how WIS adjusts for that. I do know that in those years Eck got every call on the corner but to his credit was able to put the ball there every pitch...except to Gibson in the WS.

Net-Net, I think you also have to consider the better hitters you will face vs. expecting the RL pitching performances of many low innings guys. Toney or Schupp is who I always pick...hahahaha..

Update:

We are 63-32 after 95 games and leading our division comfortably. I have not used any AAA.

Pitching stats:

Player	SN	T	G	GS	CG	SHO	W	L	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	OAV	OBP	SLG	WHIP	ERA
Johnson, Walter	1913	R	30	25	0	0	15	6	0	0	179.7	198	101	94	20	41	102	.271	.323	.417	1.33	4.71
Martinez, Pedro	2000	R	34	34	0	0	7	10	0	0	163.3	166	80	79	26	31	124	.261	.302	.434	1.21	4.35
Chamberlain, Elton	1888	R	36	14	0	0	10	2	2	3	91.7	67	36	34	3	43	26	.202	.293	.265	1.20	3.34
Kershaw, Clayton	2016	L	28	22	0	0	5	4	0	0	86.7	113	53	48	12	12	70	.308	.340	.458	1.44	4.98
Uehara, Koji	2013	R	48	0	0	0	1	0	2	4	47.3	28	12	10	5	7	41	.172	.202	.313	.74	1.90
Eckersley, Dennis	1990	R	46	0	0	0	3	2	4	5	46.7	31	10	10	6	6	31	.188	.225	.321	.79	1.93
Kimbrel, Craig	2012	R	46	0	0	0	0	3	3	5	42.7	24	15	13	2	18	33	.166	.265	.214	.98	2.74
Kimbrel, Craig	2017	R	47	0	0	0	8	1	1	1	41.7	27	16	16	2	18	35	.186	.289	.255	1.08	3.46
Jansen, Kenley	2016	R	48	0	0	0	5	0	2	2	41.3	22	14	14	6	13	41	.154	.226	.350	.85	3.05
Miller, Andrew	2016	L	45	0	0	0	4	1	3	4	41.3	48	22	22	7	8	30	.282	.322	.459	1.35	4.79
Doolittle, Sean	2014	L	35	0	0	0	4	0	1	1	35.0	28	5	5	3	9	29	.217	.279	.302	1.06	1.29
Adams, Mike	2009	R	26	0	0	0	1	1	4	4	25.0	15	3	3	0	8	12	.169	.245	.225	.92	1.08
Hill, Rich	2015	L	17	0	0	0	0	2	1	3	17.7	25	15	12	4	3	9	.325	.349	.506	1.58	6.11
TEAM TOTALS	--	--	486	95	0	0	63	32	23	32	860.0	792	382	360	96	217	583	.241	.295	.375	1.17	3.77

You'll notice that I did not stick to the WJ/Pedro 2 man rotation. At the beginning of the season I ran into a few games where most bullpen options were fatigued so I had to pull either Pedro or WJ into the pen for a game and set Chamberlain or Kershaw up to start the next game instead when they recovered from the previous game. As a result I have had to do some juggling all season and have used them well below 100 on a few occasions (Kershaw more than the others, hence his subpar stats).

You'll also notice how low WJ's IP total is. I have definitely underused him. However, I don't feel like I could have pulled this off with ~25-50 fewer IP — some of those early days were cutting it pretty close even if things are relatively clear now

Finally tally: 100-62, won the division

Player	SN	T	G	GS	CG	SHO	W	L	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	OAV	OBP	SLG	WHIP	ERA
Johnson, Walter	1913	R	56	51	4	0	24	16	0	0	355.0	403	213	199	46	82	200	.279	.326	.452	1.37	5.05
Martinez, Pedro	2000	R	50	50	0	0	12	14	0	0	238.0	232	111	110	32	53	198	.252	.299	.407	1.20	4.16
Kershaw, Clayton	2016	L	46	40	0	0	6	8	0	0	147.0	193	89	79	19	22	105	.310	.340	.466	1.46	4.84
Chamberlain, Elton	1888	R	45	21	2	0	14	3	2	3	146.3	116	67	62	9	75	44	.216	.311	.296	1.31	3.81
Uehara, Koji	2013	R	80	0	0	0	2	2	4	9	76.7	49	28	24	8	17	68	.181	.233	.326	.86	2.82
Kimbrel, Craig	2012	R	79	0	0	0	1	3	3	5	73.7	35	18	16	3	29	55	.142	.237	.183	.87	1.95
Eckersley, Dennis	1990	R	71	0	0	0	4	2	5	6	73.3	53	13	12	6	9	54	.199	.230	.303	.85	1.47
Kimbrel, Craig	2017	R	78	0	0	0	11	1	2	2	71.0	45	28	28	4	25	64	.181	.266	.269	.99	3.55
Miller, Andrew	2016	L	75	0	0	0	7	4	5	6	69.3	68	33	33	11	12	58	.250	.287	.426	1.15	4.28
Jansen, Kenley	2016	R	77	0	0	0	8	1	4	5	68.3	44	23	22	9	16	64	.180	.231	.384	.88	2.90
Doolittle, Sean	2014	L	62	0	0	0	8	1	2	2	62.0	57	17	17	6	14	49	.243	.291	.357	1.15	2.47
Adams, Mike	2009	R	49	0	0	0	3	2	13	14	44.7	28	9	8	1	14	24	.177	.249	.241	.94	1.61
Hill, Rich	2015	L	32	0	0	0	0	5	3	6	31.7	41	21	16	6	8	14	.306	.345	.455	1.55	4.55
TEAM TOTALS	--	--	800	162	6	0	100	62	43	58	1,457.0	1364	670	626	160	376	997	.243	.296	.384	1.19	3.87

nicely done

I might try again with this staff (or some slight variation — think I'm running a little light as-is)

		Role	Player	T	W-L-S	IP/162	ERA	OAV	WHIP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	K-BB	Salary
		SP	2000 Pedro Martinez	R	18-6-0	217	1.74	.167	0.74	11.78	1.33	0.71	284-32	$19,740,162
		SP/RP	1918 Fred Toney	R	6-2-1	112	1.69	.192	0.73	2.00	0.74	0.11	19-7	$7,383,267
		SP/RP	2016 Clayton Kershaw	L	12-4-0	149	1.63	.184	0.72	10.39	0.66	0.48	172-11	$7,766,928
		SP/RP	1913 Walter Johnson	R	36-7-2	364	1.14	.187	0.78	6.32	0.99	0.23	243-38	$21,486,952
		SP/RP	2020 Kenta Maeda	R	6-1-0	180	2.70	.168	0.75	10.80	1.35	1.22	80-10	$8,235,952
		SP/RP	2020 Trevor Rosenthal	R	1-0-4	27	0.00	.091	0.40	15.30	0.90	0.00	17-1	$2,565,567
		SP/RP	2020 Nick Anderson	R	2-1-6	44	0.55	.091	0.49	14.33	1.65	0.55	26-3	$3,440,731
		SP/RP	2016 Andrew Miller	L	4-0-3	29	1.55	.139	0.55	14.28	0.62	0.93	46-2	$1,742,242
		SP/RP	2013 Koji Uehara	R	4-1-21	74	1.09	.130	0.57	12.23	1.09	0.61	101-9	$6,796,434
		SP/RP	2018 Sean Doolittle	L	3-3-25	45	1.60	.135	0.60	12.00	1.20	0.60	60-6	$2,566,363
		SP/RP	2013 Sergio Santos	R	1-1-1	26	1.75	.131	0.58	9.82	1.40	0.35	28-4	$1,678,439
		SP/RP	2009 Mike Adams	R	0-0-0	37	0.73	.111	0.59	10.95	1.95	0.24	45-8	$3,469,493
		SP/RP	1990 Dennis Eckersley	R	4-2-48	74	0.61	.160	0.61	8.96	0.49	0.25	73-4	$7,573,308
Pitching Totals					97-28-111	1,378	1.42	.168	0.71	9.15	1.03	0.46	1194-135	$94,445,838

A team WHIP of 0.71 is too crazy not to try lol