"We do not live in the same household, however we are frequently at each other’s household’s."

This is the key to me. All the other stuff (lying, trying to convince a lot of HOFers that the game plan was trying to win even when switching O/D sets, basically trying to save everything for himself and not just coming clean in the first place to help his bro who had allegedly had the worst couple days) is not unimportant but not central to CS investigation into the original incident.

It is possible that they could have game planned for the game in question at the same place near or at the same time. It is possible that they even bought seasons with the same purchase method in the past. BUT... there almost certainly have to be multiple MULTIPLE past occasions where they have logged in and game planned or recruited from different IPs consistently. This would be circumstantial (everything about this whole situation kind of is), but it should be easy to reasonable determine that there are two different people who's path intersect.

If that is the case, Fluff is innocent and shouldn't have the scarlet A attached to his name.

Posted by Benis on 8/28/2020 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, reinstate him. I don't want an asterisk on my title.

somebody sees simai on a roll and is looking for a way out =)

simai is a really good coach given the right team! its just... very rare for those circumstances to shake out as needed. when i left uconn in 3.0 a while back after realizing i couldn't run a team myself anymore, i was so excited to watch simai the next year, it felt like such a good team for them and i was rooting for a simai title with my players. unlikely but i had hope! but stupid 3.0 added this rule where simai changes the O/D back to the original set and so the sim totally trashed the team instantly and completely. next time i'll have to make sure i stick around to start the season and then get banned for collusion =)

Posted by kolby2025 on 8/28/2020 7:34:00 AM (view original):

I’m posting a statement prepared by fluff_nasty and I approve everything that is in the statement.

This is in reference to https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=522482

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My name is Isaac, aka fluff_nasty.

After the second round game of the Phelan D2 Tournament, I received an email from WIS-Comish informing me that I was banned.

“We’ve been alerted to a game between the accounts scheyerguy and fluff_nasty where a game was intentionally thrown by scheyerguy. After investigation, we’ve determined that these accounts are operated by the same person. This is an extremely serious violation of our Fair Play Guidelines (https://www.whatifsports.com/account/FairPlayGuidelines/). As a result of this violation, both accounts have been closed permanently.”

First of all, these accounts are not operated by the same person.

Isaac operates GCU while Kolby, my brother-in-law (dun dun dunnnnn) operates FGCU and Creighton.

We have sent WIS Comish photos of our IDs, credit cards, faces, and computers to confirm this.

We do not live in the same household, however we are frequently at each other’s household’s.

The next thing in question is the “thrown game”.

Was the game thrown? Yes it was. Kolby decided to throw the game without my knowledge because I had just gone through the worst two days of my life. (trust me, you don’t want to know) He wanted to throw me a bone and make sure that he didn’t steal a win from me to make things worse. Had he told me he was doing this I would have told him not to. We have a fun rivalry (Chiefs fan vs Broncos fan) and I would have loved to beat him fair and square. However, this was not the case and I didn’t realize he threw the game until I saw the boxscore.

Apparently at this point, Kolby got a little “troll-y” on the forums. He had no idea that throwing a game could get him banned, and honestly neither did I. So I don’t really know what all he was going on about but he was just a little upset and surprised that he lost his team and went on a bit of a rant trying to fight what had happened.

At this point I believe fluff_nasty should be fully reinstated. Scheyerguy should be punished for throwing a game but probably not banned.

I would love the chance to be able to gameplan for my championship game tonight.

Additionally, I believe we need to make the Fairplay Guidelines more accessible. At the very least they should be pinned atop the HD Forum.

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I already got burned giving Kolby the benefit of the doubt in the other thread.

I trust seble's judgment here, wherever he ends up, and he doesn't owe us an explanation.

Posted by upsetcity on 8/28/2020 9:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by kolby2025 on 8/28/2020 8:27:00 AM (view original):

Posted by therealjerk on 8/28/2020 8:02:00 AM (view original):
You lied about knowing him in the first thread and if neither of you knew that throwing a game was against a fairplay guideline (nobody with half a brain needs a rulebook to know this) then all 3 accounts shouldn’t be around.

I was trolling, have you ever met a troll who told the truth? Also, at what point in the account creation process are the Fairplay guidelines mentioned or brought up? I must have missed that.

I just hope fluff gets his account back for the game tonight cause he did nothing wrong. If they have to ban both my accounts then whatever. I’ll feel bad if my actions got Isaac banned from his dynasty.

I would also like to point out that if gcu would have thrown the game then I bet nobody would be crying about it.

Alright I have to go to work now, I hope they fix this for him.

Jeez, I just read Gill's comment in the other thread and was completely agreeing with what he said. I was nodding my head thinking "I wouldn't have known. ****, I didn't know.". I was introduced to the game by a friend and I told him I'd throw a CT Championship to let him make the NT. He had to tell me that's not how things work in this game. That's when I started to learn about the forums being more of a community than a simple forum and what you do in this game affects EVERYONE. I was about to comment how it was unfair that you were accused at 3pm and banned within the hour without being allowed to defend yourself.

But then you come out and defend holes in your story as just trolling... dude, really? In a thread accusing you of cheating, where your account was permanently banned and all the money that you put into it was lost, you thought that's the best time to have a laugh and troll a little? Tell us - how do we know you're not trolling now? Or that you weren't trolling about having seasons purchased on your account? You care enough about all of this to respond and make separate threads but not enough to at least explain to the community your true side of the story.

I'm a firm believer of 'never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity'. I figured you were like I was years back - just ignorant to the fair play guidelines and wouldn't have violated the rules if you had known. I wanted to defend your perspective and support your return. Now, I'm not too sure.

I'm going to summarize what happened.

Kolby/scheyerguy messed up and intentionally threw a game which caused himself and his brother in law to get banned. At this point Kolby - as any self serving individual would do - chose to go on to the forums and cover his own *** by lying and attempting to convince everyone that 1) he didn't actually throw the game but was trying a new strategy and 2) he didn't know the coach of Grand Canyon at all. Meanwhile, his primary concern was getting his money refunded because he didn't actually throw the game.

If you really cared about your brother in law's team, you would have owned up to your mistake immediately like an adult but instead you tried to spin more lies like a little kid does when they get caught. I mean, it's just a game, do you really need to do that? Is that your go-to move - deny til you die?

And don't give me this "trolling" BS. You were covering your *** and thinking only of yourself, plain and simple. And you took down your brother in-law with you. What a bonehead.

I still think fluff should be unbanned.

why should he be punished

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/28/2020 2:30:00 PM (view original):
I still think fluff should be unbanned.

why should he be punished

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If the above information is accurate then I agree. His brother in law did Fluff no favors by taking a bad situation and making it worse.

I'm trying to comprehend things. I've been through hell and back over the past few years in my personal life. I don't see how losing a NT game makes my life worse to the point that someone needs to cheat for me to win. I had personal issues in my life where I even contemplated whether or not suicide was a good option ***disclaimer... suicide is NEVER a good option*** and I would not have gotten more depressed over losing a computer game. So I don't buy the "I threw the game so his life didn't get any worse" situation. As far as we log into the game at the same house from time to time, I log into my games at different locations on a regular basis (my house, work, my parents house) so just having different IP address logons does not prove anything either. Personally, I think that there are likely several other evidences behind the scenes to show that this was more than just a 1 time thing. I'm sure Seble probably can see where they may have shared in recruit scouting info. There has to be something else behind the scene going on that warrants permabanning the accounts.

My guess is that it appears that there was log in sharing going on. And that was something they mentioned in a site wide sitemail a while back stating that there would be a no tolerance policy with this. So if that is the case, they were warned. If they still violated the terms then the permaban is justified and no explanation needed.

Glad you’re still here buddy

I don't believe this story personally. I've never met anyone who watches or is a fan of sports claim to not know that throwing a game would get them banned regardless if it's real or an online game.

Posted by GM223 on 8/28/2020 6:20:00 PM (view original):
I don't believe this story personally. I've never met anyone who watches or is a fan of sports claim to not know that throwing a game would get them banned regardless if it's real or an online game.

Careful with that, the next excuse will be they don’t watch sports.

I appreciate the thoughts guys. I wasn't trying to hijack the thread to make this about me. My issues were years ago and are long past. I'm now divorced and able to do what I want again and am mostly happy. This game is one of the things I use as an outlet to let loose some steam, but even then a loss is not going to change my life other than being upset about losing in the NT for about 5 minutes lol. But even in the worst stress, this game should not be something that stresses you out. You might panic a bit if you lose out on your primary recruit, but your every day life should not be impacted by anything that happens in a simulation game.

I just don’t have any reason to believe they haven’t shared scouting info before or something like that. I mean just look at scheyerguy’s team. How tf do you scout so many different places? And GC’s stud is recruited 1000 miles away while he scouted Texas and California too?

Tdiddy, I’m glad you’re doing well and still here.

Posted by nuff_flasty on 8/29/2020 2:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/29/2020 2:16:00 AM (view original):
I just don’t have any reason to believe they haven’t shared scouting info before or something like that. I mean just look at scheyerguy’s team. How tf do you scout so many different places? And GC’s stud is recruited 1000 miles away while he scouted Texas and California too?

First and foremost, congrats to benis on another championship.

I'm quiting HD, have to address what happened this weekend in my real life.

All 3 accounts got banned. Its over. All the Blood Thirsty Angels got what they wanted. Nice work guys.

As far as GCU recruiting goes, I can easily reach 1,000 miles out west. When I was east of the Mississippi at Georgia College I think I was only reaching 400 miles and maybe not even getting everybody within that range. Think about how many recruits are going to be south of AZ? It's pretty easy to unlock a large area out there from that location. Good luck to the coach who gets the GCU job, you'll have a decent team next year, take care of them.

Yeah Kolby and scheyerguy were recruiting from all over the place. They are both banned. Can't believe the Blood Thirsty Angels didn't get to him sooner honestly. (edit: kolby was at VT when Jones was signed, sorry you didn't get him. I'm surprised nobody is screaming that shoe and fluff must be the same.... -.-)

But for real, I'm surprised by the naive attitude of the coaches on here. If we could hypothetically drain the swamp and ban every coach who has ever collaborated with themselves of friends, we would be lucky to have 35 coaches still standing. Lets be real for a second, how can anybody honestly think this isn't happening every season in every world. Wake up.....actually...nvm.....Who wants to buy a time share?



On a different note, I hope the FPGs post I made gets taken seriously, pretend it was posted by someone cool like Gilipsie1 or something. You can't seriously expect people to follow rules that they can't find. Yeah let me just assume that some rules exist and guess on what they may or not be.....wtf.....listen to what you are saying. Lets hide the rules and punish/criticize people for not guessing exactly what they are.

Maybe I'll come back in a year or two and the rules will actually be available and followed, but with the mindset of the coaches on here, I doubt it.

Later.

This is the only way I can phrase it... if you weren’t banned, I wouldn’t be calling for you to be, but seble is not aggressive at all when it comes to banning people (which I think is good) and he clearly found evidence that you guys were cheating somehow.

Also, I understand your and Kolby’s POV, but it is a bit suspicious how he trolled before, but I realize that’s not your fault how he acted. The fact that seble banned you though just shows that he must have had sufficient evidence of cheating.